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if you had a choice between really nice binocs or scope which one would you choose. 
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Duke7581 -

 

I suppose I would choose the binoculars, although the applications are so different.  Clearly one uses binoculars far more when hunting, although the riflescope is used at the moment of truth.

 

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thats what i was wondering because if you can make it out with the binocs but you can't hardly with your scope than what good or the binocs.  You defintely use the binocs more though i was just wandering how you guys all felt.  i ended up going with the scope hope it arrives tommorow or wed. 
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If I could only have one top notch bino or scope, but not both, I'd choose the bino hands down.  You can get a decent scope for $250 or so by going with something like Bushnell Elite 4200, which will allow you to take shots in most of the conditions that a $1500 scope will.  You will spend far more time looking through binoculars than you will your scope while hunting, plus, your bino isn't limited to just hunting.

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thats true i guess i didn't think about that so now i already bought the scope which binos for a decent price would you reccomend i probably should ask this on the other forum  i'll do that also.
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I may be able to help you with that if you will provide a budget for what you're willing to spend on binos.  However, you'd be better off asking this in the binoculars section of the forum.

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Binos, I use them far more when hunting. Even the least expensive of my scopes are adequate for all but the lowest light conditions at reasonable distance. They are all at least mid range scopes, though.

 

 

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I'd also go with a binocular. 

 

Looking through a crappy bino all day kinda makes me feel like...........

 

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I can't understand the question, as I would have both.

To me it's simple, as I am not rich I have to buy second hand and maybe not when i need it and instead buy it when the item turns up cheap.

 

I think there is plenty of items out there with some age that is farily good, and can be bought for a low price.

 

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The question was a hypothetical if you could only have one really good bino or riflescope but not both, which would you prefer?  I too would prefer both, but depending on one's budget, you may not be able to afford both.

 

Even a used Zeiss, Swaro, S&B, Kahles, etc. scope in decent condition is still way more expensive than a new Bushnell Elite 4200 or Nikon Monarch scope.  The same goes for binos.  Even used high end binos command a fairly high price, again, if they are in decent condition.

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i have no use for binos where i hunt the openings where most of our stands are, are less than 50yds worth of ground from side to side so binos would be pointless for me anything i can see with the naked eye is all i would be able to see anyway, so a good scope would serve me well.
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well i am looking for a good pair of binocs but seeing how i just bought the scope and am getting married in a month the budget is a little tight right now.  No wise cracks on skipping the wedding.Ha Ha 

 

I do have a nice set of golf clubs if any of you golf and might want to do a swap of some sort.

 

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Just a thought let me know thanks and i am willing to split the set up.

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To give an example on some of the better scopes binos I have seen here or bought.

 

Zeiss 6x30 military binocular from the 60th.

Outstanding binocular with wide field of view, rubber armoured, 50-200 dollars in good condition

 

Zeiss 7x50 B Marine, 200-600 Dollars in fair condition

 

Zeiss 3-12x56 Diavari 500 Dollars in good condition

 

Kahles 8x56 riflescope 300 Dollars

 

Kahles 6x42 250 Dollars.

 

So no, I am not convinced that a new Bushnell 4200 is that much cheaper that it really is worth it.

Espesially not here when the 4200 not have sufficient light to be usefull in late evenings or nights.

 

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Many of us don't like buying used optics, Technika.  In many cases, that means no warranty, no guarantee that there aren't hidden problems, and no recourse if there is.  Again, this is a hypothetical "either or" type question.  To some people, even your Diavari example is outside the budget, and $500 Diavaris in "good" condition aren't exactly common.  There's nothing wrong with the 4200; it's no Diavari, but it's a very good scope that's well worth the price.  Finding the occasional good deal on used optics is a great option, but good deal or not, you're not likely to buy something that doesn't fit your needs / wants.  For instance, the Kahles 8X56 example you used is a great deal, but I wouldn't want an 8X56 scope, and I don't particularly like scopes with objective diameters larger than 50mm, so even if the scope cost $100, I wouldn't personally buy it.

 

 

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I have bought a few pairs or relatively inexpensive binoculars and used them some but invariably something happens and they get broken so I usually dont hunt with binoculars only a scope sometimes just a rangefinder.
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anyone of you guys ever use the minox binos and how are they.
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Rifle Dude

I would certanly not classify the 4200 as and expensive scope, nor it's low light capabilities as expenisve either.

I don't say it's a bad scope, but for example for me that uses scopes mainly in very poor light, it's not good enogh.

And as the the orignal discussion was about expensive/high end stuff that was what my answer was abouth.

So if someone can afford a scope  or binocular for 1500-2500 USD then he can certainly afford one second hand of each for 500...........

 

And even if you really don't want to buy second hand stuff, you can always buy the favorite scope for the high end money and then buy a surplus good quality binocular and have good quality but heavy binocular.

I regards both the scope and the binocular as equally important.

 

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If you had bought quality binoculars they would most likely not have been broken.

Quality binoculars are so much nicer to use and will be used more than cheap stuff ever will.

 

 

 

 

Regards Technika

 

 

 

 

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Originally posted by www.technika.nu www.technika.nu wrote:

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I would certanly not classify the 4200 as and expensive scope, nor it's low light capabilities as expenisve either.

I don't say it's a bad scope, but for example for me that uses scopes mainly in very poor light, it's not good enogh.

 

 

That's exactly my point.  Here in the U.S., where we are more limited by law on how much hunting we can do in low light, scopes like the 4200 are more than adequate in most situations, leaving extra money in the budget for a better pair of binoculars.  The original poster asked if you could only have an expensive scope OR an expensive binocular, but not both due to budget limitations, which would you prefer.  In other words, I believe this was a way of asking whether it was a better investment to spend extra money on the highest quality optics in a binocular or a scope if you couldn't afford both.  I understand what you're saying, and I agree with you.  I own, prefer, and use both high quality binos and scopes, but I can't afford to mount best quality scopes on all my rifles.  I just believe if you could only have one or the other, then you would be better served by spending the extra money to get a really nice pair of binoculars instead of a really nice scope because you only use the scope to take the shot, while you actually search for game with the binoculars and can use them for other activities besides hunting.  Besides the fact you'd use the binos much more than you ever will the scope, depending on where and how you hunt, it's much easier to get a decent scope for under $300 than a binocular for that kind of money.  The truly high quality binoculars generally start at a higher retail price than a good rifle scope.

 

 

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Originally posted by duke7581 duke7581 wrote:

anyone of you guys ever use the minox binos and how are they.

 

Check out the Bino Forum for more intel on Minox.

The Minox I used a little in New Mexico (the outfitters) were VERY good.

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Spend the money on the bicnoculars.  You will be looking through your binoculars much much more then the scope while hunting.  You can use the binoculars for other things besides hunting (sporting events, bird watching, air show  whatever). Lastly, you can get pretty good scopes for not a great deal of money.  I own a Pentax Lightseeker, Zeiss Conquest, and a Bushnell 4200 Elite (and  had some experience with the Weaver Grand Slam and Nikon Monarch Leupold VXII-III) all of those scopes allow for shooting at reasonable distances  >200 yard well past sunset,  legal and ethical shooting hours.

 

Personally, this is just one nuts opinion, but optics are a important part of hunting.  I own premium Swaro binoculars, and I have a couple friends that have Zeiss and one Leica.  I will be the first to admit that not everyone needs "premium' optics BUT (BIG BUT) I believe that a person should buy the best they can afford.  For binoculars and scopes that first step is the BIGGEST.  Going from the $39.99 special to a good $300 scope or binocular will be vast improvement.  As the price goes up things get better but its not as huge as that first step. 

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If I needed both a scope and a set of bino's and my wallet could only dictate a certain dollar amount for both, I would spend more on the bino's than the scope. Period!  You don't spend hours a day looking through a riflescope like you do a set of good bino's.  A good set of bino's will let you look through them all day long without getting crosseyed!
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