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How many years should we expect to get out the current line of scopes - assuming something decent is purchased (not a Barska, BSA, or other Chinese scopes)?

My newest rifle was made in 1978.  It had a Hakko-made Revelation on it (that is still in decent shape but now sits upon a 22).  I expect to hunt with the rifles I currently own until I die, which God willing will be in the latter half of this century.

A rifle should last a lifetime.  How long should a scope last?

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like any piece of technology, it may become outdated, but still usable--  different rifles have different purposes, and as one eases down to 22 plinking, where almost anything will work, it depends on the shooters acceptance of that level of performance. This arguement is always brought up when discussing the high cost scopes, one side saying the use of the scope doesn't change enough for the basics of optically science, therefore buy once cry once, and the other side, that saying changes in products negate the need for high dollar stuff.
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I have a old Zeiss scope that the good people OT dated around 1930 so its 75 + years and is still very clear and holds a good zero. I have a Weaver V22 from 1972 that is still giving good service on a Marlin 60.  Thats at 36 years on a lower end scope. So with good care, if you get a scope from a company that gives a lifetime warranty you should be good. Care and maintains (keep it clean) is the key to long life.
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personally I say beat the sh*t out them and get a new one.
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While it is the case on many firearms sites that folks brag about/show off their newest purchase of the newest rifle (and that is said with our rancor or irritation), it is true that a 1960 Winchester model 74 was a wonderful rifle in 1960, 1975, or today and is just as capable then as now.  Is it reasonable to say that a scope that is perfectly satisfactory in 2007 will not degrade to the point that it no longer is useful?  I mean, said scope, whether it is a Burris, Leupold, Bushnell Elite, or Nikon will be just as clear and reliable 20 years from now, given reasonable care and maintenance?  Or are we trapped in having to buy another $300-$800 scope every ten years?  Outdated because better glass comes about is one thing, degraded quality so that the scope does not function as well as it once did is another.

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I have an old k4 on an equally old 250 sav. thats great for teaching kids-- but given that I only have a certain amt. of time, and it is more valuable-- I don't want to shoot it or take "time" with it. The statement that the win. is as capable is a reflection of the parameters based in the weapon not the possibilites. The best buy in scopes is in the $600 range (pretty cheap), why not get one every other year. The nature of the beast is sand abrasion, worn out lubricants, stripped clip stops, out of round tubes, sometimes knocked off turrets. If one only uses it for hunting for a couple of days a year, and if lucky enough to not fall of a horse, bounce down a mtn. side or other miss. I think they would last 10 or so years. I think scopes start to degrade the moment they get the first shot fired under them.  
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No reason a quality scope shouldn't last as long as a rifle.  I've gotten past the "gotta have the latest".  Is a 2.5-10 worth the change from a 3-9?  I don't think so.  What about a 2-12 or a 1.7 to 10?  Practicall speaking, the benefit you get is not worth the cost.  Fortunately for Chris Wink, most of us aren't very practical, and even though our scopes work just fine, we can convince ourselves that something brighter, or with a different reticle is just what we need.  My 2 3/4 Redfield must be 40 years old (it's pre widefield) and still is perfect for it's application.

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Maybe Koshkin can answer this...... Do the coatings degrade over time?  How about the nitrogen.....does it go bad/seep out after many years?
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For me $600 isn't cheap and I am loathe to budged $300 annually just for scopes, or make that $1,200 annually on four rifles.  How can folks afford that?

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I have a 20 year old scope that seems as good as one I bought last year. The only reason to replace an excisting scope would be to buy different specs eg higher magnification etc or upgrade in quality eg from a cheap scope to a more expensive model. The scope itself should last a lifetime.
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I'd say that depending on use, and of course maintenance, a good rifle scope may very well outlast a rifle barrel, rebarrel and on and on. Maintenance as with most things is the key, provided you have a decently built scope to start with.
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If the seals go bad or the gas leaks if the company has a good lifetime warranty send it back and it comes back like new.  My Dad always said "if you need a tool get the best because it can last the rest of your life." Buy good,- buy once. If you need more then go for it.
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Well thats interesting question....You know they say if you take care of your body it will last a lifetime, so whats a lifetime? IMHO- We are responsible for keeping people in jobs so we should purchase scopes as the desire hits, I mean if I didn't buy some gun stuff that would give my wife more spending power and I am not going to give that up. The quality of scopes are good and will last a long time, upgrading and adding to the collection thats the fun part. Man I can't wait until they come out with the 1x60x80 Laser, Game Identifer, rack scorer, temp taker and automatic holdover scope myself......
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Protecting the old does not negate advancement. I think there should be Doppler laser research to measure molecular density and movement that can automatically adjust the scopes point of impact. this needs to be in a unit with a weight under 6 oz. No shots would ever miss. On the other hand that would take the fun out of shooting. I shoot to measure the miss. This is the challenge to do better on the next shot. Perfection can be built into a video game but not into real life.  Soap%20Box Oh Yea, I like the rack score identifier. Needs Baro. Pressure, Humidity, Rotation of the earth. What else?
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A scope should last as long as you want to use it.
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The oldest scopes in my collection are both Leupolds.  The M8 8x40 AO was purchased new in 1983.  The M8 4x28 Compact was purchased new in 1984

Over the years, both these scopes have served most of their duty on semiauto rifles: Ruger Mini-14, two Colt AR15's, PolyTech AK47, HK91, HK93 and Springfield M1A.

When I purchased my Remington 700 PSS .308 in 1996, the 8x40 AO was installed and never removed.  It continues to produce .625-.750" groups to this day.  Since about 2002, the 4x28 Compact has been mounted on my Remington 11-87 SPS-T that is used as a short-range predator-calling gun with 12GA slugs and buckshot.

Other than occasionally cleaning the external glass serfaces, there has been no maintenance done to either of these scopes.  Performance has been flawless.

With most of today's low to mid-range variable power scopes, you should expect performance to be degraded a bit with every shot.

Cheers

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Originally posted by Davis Davis wrote:

How many years should we expect to get out the current line of scopes - assuming something decent is purchased (not a Barska, BSA, or other Chinese scopes)?

My newest rifle was made in 1978.  It had a Hakko-made Revelation on it (that is still in decent shape but now sits upon a 22).  I expect to hunt with the rifles I currently own until I die, which God willing will be in the latter half of this century.

A rifle should last a lifetime.  How long should a scope last?

Davis
 
According to the Mayan Calendar it should last until the year 2012 when the entire earth will be destroyed. Yikes  


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Jeez man, talk about depressing us all.  Big%20Smile
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If it were not for US troops dooing UN work who else.   The French. Roll%20on%20Floor%20LaughingRoll%20on%20Floor%20LaughingRoll%20on%20Floor%20LaughingRoll%20on%20Floor%20LaughingRoll%20on%20Floor%20Laughing
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wow some of your guys scopes are older than I am Shocked
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I personally try to buy the best I can, whenever I can... I have found that usually it pays in the long run. I have often gone without something until I can afford it, because I know darn well if I buy the 'Cheaper Option' I usually end up replacing it because it breaks, or doesn't do what it's supposed to do etc.... Hope you don't mind me sticking in a quotation here, but sums up what i'm trying to say... and a good one to print out and refer too.


The Common Law of Business Balance

It's unwise to pay too much,
but it's worse to pay too little.
When you pay too much
you lose a little money - that is all.

When you pay too little
you sometimes lose everything,
because the thing you bought was incapable
of doing the things it was bought to do.

The common law of business balance
prohibits paying a little and getting a lot,
it can't be done.

If you deal with the lowest bidder,
it is well to add something for the risk you run,
and if you do that you will have enough
to pay for something better.

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My point being (as i forgot to include it)........ a good scope should last a lifetime if looked after. A cheap scope may be replaced over and over (dont make you cry when you drop one though!)
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I have had really good luck with Leupold scopes and I have two going on 40 yrs+ old and they work just fine.
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Originally posted by cccombo cccombo wrote:

wow some of your guys scopes are older than I am Shocked
 
Now, that's depressing.  I don't think I have anything that's older than I am Sad
 
On the other hand, if the world comes to an end in 2012, all I can say is where I'm going there won't be any inferior optics.  Heck, I probably won't even need binoculars to see detail at long distances, and best of all, I won't ever have to look at Hillary C. again, 'cause I sure don't think she'll be there.
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