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Why is it that just about every post in which someone mentions "long range shooting", it is automatically assumed that that person is a non-ethical, uninformed, non-hunter that will take mile long shots at game and be judged for thier evil?  RELAX people,  I came to this forum to pick the brains of some of the most informed optics jedi nights in the business and I learned ALOT of good stuff.  I did not come here for an ethics lesson nor to be judged by anyone who knows me by one or two posts that I have written.  I am sure that there are plenty of people out thier that just shoot at game over a mile away just for fun.  I am certainly not one of those people and I would imagine that 99.9% of the other people on this board are not either.  Oh well,  I will get off of my soap box  Please just keep in mind that most people are trying to buy the right scope to do the right thing.
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Don't worry canine, debate is good. This site is growing by leaps and bounds and there are going to be lots of opinions. You know what they say about those, like butt holes, everyone has one. There are are a lot of smart people here. Some are more abrasive than others. Luckily fists don't travel through cyberspace.


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Originally posted by canine canine wrote:

Why is it that just about every post in which someone mentions "long range shooting", it is automatically assumed that that person is a non-ethical, uninformed, non-hunter that will take mile long shots at game and be judged for thier evil?

 

canine,

I don't believe that's the case at all, at least for the majority of us.  This just happens to be one of the most controversial topics in hunting, so it will always be polarizing.  I can only speak for myself, but I believe most people are just pointing out the reality that few shooters have the requisite skills and equipment to consistently make good shots on game animals at extreme distances.  The difficult part of the discussion is in defining "long range."  "Long range" is a relative term, as I've seen some guys at the shooting range that have no business attempting a 200 yard shot, much less a 500 yard shot.  As Mike McDonald pointed out in a previous post, I believe it's vitally important that the shooter be honest with himself and his equipment's capabilities before taking any shot at game animals, out of respect for the animal.  I think we can all agree that anything that could result in crippling, undue suffering, and lost animals is a bad thing.  If one cannot be reasonably certain of keeping a shot within the vitals, this is likely to happen.  I think a skilled shooter who knows his equipment's abilities, and just as important, limitations can ethically shoot big game at super long distances.  If you're among those with the necessary skills and equipment, have at it.  The problem arises when the beginning shooter sees videos or hears stories of someone shooting a deer at 900 yards and thinks that buying the right rifle and scope is all that's required to accomplish the same.  I also have a problem with people who snipe at game at great distances as a stunt just to fuel their ego, without concern for the animal or whether or not they can consistently steer the bullet into the vitals.  These types of actions provide ammo for the antis that can be used against us, and reinforces the "hunters as slobs" stereotype.  I myself frequently enjoy long range shooting, but only at varmints and paper.  I don't personally feel comfortable shooting big game at distances further than about 400 yards, nor do I have the desire or an accurate enough deer/elk rifle to do so.  A 1 MOA rifle, good by factory rifle standards, really isn't accurate enough, in fact, when you consider all the other variables that can affect POI in field conditions.

 

I believe anytime this discussion comes up, we have a responsibility as shooters to discuss the requirements and limitations of such an activity.  Anything less gives the wrong impression and is a disservice to the new shooter seeking advice.

 

None of this is in any way directed at you personally, BTW.  I'm only speaking in general terms.  There are always exceptions to every rule and each person's individual hunting situations can be drastically different.



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yeah, i am definitely not a fan of it,

but try not to be judgemental of those that do it ethically.

 

those boys on that video at 890 yrds or whatever. that seems like live target practice.

and those weren't varmints. THAT's what i have a problem with.  Even the most skilled shooters

at that distance will succomb to the elements and misplace a shot. resulting in a wounded animal.

correct me if i am wrong here.

 

i just think that big game needs to be respected before and after the kill.

 

if you can, without a doubt, successfully place a kill shot on a long range deer, more power to you.

 

people get kicked out of clubs down here for stuff like that.

 

J

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