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I am trying to decide which scope to get for my Model 12 FV in 223. I will be mostly target shooting ( with maybe some hunting ) and competing with friends with deep pockets and high end equipment. Shooting will be mostly 100, 150 and 200 yards. I have little to no experience with good optics. I believe I have narrowed it down to either:

Vortex Viper 6.5-20x 44mm  BDC

Nikon Monarch 5-20x 44mm  BDC

Sightron SII BS 6-24x 42mm MilDot

The Vortex and the Nikon will cost the same because I will need to change rings for the Vortex. The Sightron will be around $50 or so more.

Any words of wisdom or opinions on which way I should go?


Seth

 
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Flip a coin. Twice.

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In that case let me throw a kink in the works how about this one:
TR232G New Trijicon 5-20x50 Accu-Point 30mm Rifle Scope                                                                        New Trijicon 5-20x50 Accu-Point 30mm Rifle Scope
  • Matte
  • Mil-Dot Crosshair w/ Green Dot
  • 30mm
SWFA: $1,019.95
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TR232 Trijicon 5-20x50 Accu-Point 30mm Rifle Scope                                                                            Trijicon 5-20x50 Accu-Point 30mm Rifle Scope
  • Matte
  • Mil-Dot Crosshair w/ Amber Dot
  • 30mm
  • Free Sun Shade
SWFA: $1,019.95
More Info... Buy Now
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Originally posted by Urimaginaryfrnd Urimaginaryfrnd wrote:

In that case let me throw a kink in the works how about this one:
TR232G New Trijicon 5-20x50 Accu-Point 30mm Rifle Scope                                                                        New Trijicon 5-20x50 Accu-Point 30mm Rifle Scope
  • Matte
  • Mil-Dot Crosshair w/ Green Dot
  • 30mm
SWFA: $1,019.95
More Info... Buy Now

TR232 Trijicon 5-20x50 Accu-Point 30mm Rifle Scope                                                                            Trijicon 5-20x50 Accu-Point 30mm Rifle Scope
  • Matte
  • Mil-Dot Crosshair w/ Amber Dot
  • 30mm
  • Free Sun Shade
SWFA: $1,019.95
More Info... Buy Now

Why would this scope be superior to the three the original poster asked about under his shooting conditions: largely target shooting in good light atranges within a couple of hundred yards?

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Personally I think their all great choices!! Thunbs Up  I then looked at it from more of a hunting perspective and I like the Trijicon setup a little better with the lower 5x, 50mm objective with the 20x, and amber or green dot.
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If you want lower magnificaiton for hunting, how about a 4-16x40 or something similar?

Bushnell Elite 4200 4-16x40 or 4-16x50 would work well.

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Thanks for the opinions. IT will be 95% + target shooting.
 
Are the Bushnell Elites in the same catagory as the othrs I mentioned?
 
 
 
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Yes they are in the same category glass and quality wise. As long as you're talking about the 4200 and 6500 Elites. The 3200 is a tad behind these in glass quality, but still a pretty darn good scope.
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Yes, the 4200 Elites.
 
Also is 20x - 24x what I need for 200 - 300 yards?
 
 
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The answer to that is another question. How good are your eyes? If you have 20/20 vision then the most you should need is 15x.
20x or higher if you are competing in target shooting. But that is dependant upon other factors such as your own preference, and glass quality of the scope. Better glass gives resolution without the need for as much magnification.
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Originally posted by Ceefuhs Ceefuhs wrote:

 Also is 20x - 24x what I need for 200 - 300 yards?
 
   Depends on the size of the target. Wink   -Al
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Originally posted by Al Nyhus Al Nyhus wrote:

Originally posted by Ceefuhs Ceefuhs wrote:

 Also is 20x - 24x what I need for 200 - 300 yards?
 
   Depends on the size of the target. Wink   -Al
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You may have asked in jest but Eggs at 200 yards and paintballs at 150.
 
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Get the higher mags then........Shocked
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I shoot .17 hmr empty cases at 100 with 18x. 20x probably wouldn't hurt.
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Originally posted by Ceefuhs Ceefuhs wrote:

You may have asked in jest but Eggs at 200 yards and paintballs at 150.
 Seth
 
   No, not in jest. Unless restricted by rules, the size of the target is the biggest factor in selecting a scopes magnification.
 
   For those size targets I'd consider 20X the bare minimum...with something around 24X on the top being preferred if you're talking about a variable.  A simple fine crosshair or dot reticle would be my recommendation.
 
    A straight (non variable) 24X would be darn good and a 36X would be darn near perfect.
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I have been advised not to get a fixed 24X or 36X. That on hazy or really hot days I might need to dial back on the magnification. Is this sound advise?
 
 
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Yes the mirage on such days would render a high power fixed scope useless.
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Originally posted by cyborg cyborg wrote:

Yes the mirage on such days would render a high power fixed scope useless.
 
   Experienced target shooters want to see the mirage.
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Originally posted by Al Nyhus Al Nyhus wrote:

Originally posted by cyborg cyborg wrote:

Yes the mirage on such days would render a high power fixed scope useless.
 
   Experienced target shooters want to see the mirage.
Really? I think I'll post a poll about that.. I can't fathom how having the target appear to be moving, is a good thing. 
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     What a high magnification shows you is which way the mirage is going. Mirage can often be a much better indicator than windflags. Just a couple of weeks ago, I competed in an IBS 100-200 yd. BR tournament where a subtle mirage flip from lt. to rt. was worth a solid 3/4" of bullet displacement...at 100 yds. When we shot the 200 yd. portion, this same 'flip' was well over 1.5" of bullet displacement.
  
   The targets don't always appear to be moving with such higher magnifications, although in some situations they can appear a bit 'shakey'.  36X is the low end for precision shooters anymore...many are using the 45X and 60X scopes.
 
   The best poll you can take is to look at the equipment list for any BR tournament...or take a walk down the firing line at one and check it out.
 
    Good shootin'.   -Al
 
  
 
 
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Thanks for the great explanation Al. That helps many newbies here that might be looking at getting into the sport. Excellent
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I would go for the finest ret, or dot poss. 1/8 moa. I have the Nikon Monarch 6.5-24 fine ret. one my savage 112bvss and a sightron 6-24 1/8 moa dot. on a savage 12bvss-s both.223 and love both of them.  can shoot the primers out of shotgun shells at 100yds. with eather.
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