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9-point
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great information guys, thanks. I should say right off that my nephew is in his mid 20s(wish I was) 6' 180 or so, so I'm not worried about his shoulder, just want to make sure that with a good shot comes a good clean kill, we'll be in unit 86; ordering maps next week. This is our first elk hunt and as excited as I am now, its going to be a long 16 months.
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martin3175
Optics Master Extraordinaire Joined: January/19/2005 Location: Maryland Status: Offline Points: 3773 |
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I figured he was a youngster...Forget the 30/30 ...go 30-06 or similar as a baseline ,,, Use heavy for caliber rounds that are well constructed ... partitions, scirocco,XP3,and the like..
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Sgt. D
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pyro6999
Optics Retard OT TITAN Joined: December/22/2006 Location: North Dakota Status: Offline Points: 22034 |
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get a 7mag and be done with it
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They call me "Boots"
375H&H Mag: Yeah, it kills stuff "extra dead" 343 we will never forget God Bless Chris Ledoux "good ride cowboy" |
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Big Squeeze
Optics Master Extraordinaire GOOGLE NINJA Joined: August/30/2007 Location: Anaheim, Calif. Status: Offline Points: 3143 |
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Dogger
Optics Jedi Master Joined: January/02/2007 Location: Ontario, Canada Status: Offline Points: 8921 |
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Agree with Sgt . D and pyro. If your budget will allow a new
rifle the 7mm Rem Mag in a M77 Ruger is a sweetheart. It shoots
just as easy as Sgt D said, Ruger did a good job on designing the
stock. Personally I find it nicer to shoot with the 175's than my
30.06 Husqvarna with 180's (current favourite is the Federal 175 grain
Trophy Bonded Bear Claw)
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RifleDude
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Ditto all that has been said. As important as the caliber chosen is the bullet choice. A properly constructed bullet designed for elk sized animals will make up for a lighter cartridge. I wouldn't personally choose anything lighter than .280/.30-06 and the 7 mags for elk, especially since I don't have elk in my backyard and have to drive a good distance and take vacation time from work to hunt them. Elk have been and will continue to be taken with lighter cartridges in the same way that deer are frequently taken with .22 cal centerfires, but it doesn't make the practice ideal, so if it's in the budget, I'd have the nephew buy a new rifle in .30-06, 7 mag, .300 mag, etc.
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Ted
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RifleDude
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Sgt. D this has to do with stock design vs. body type, in this case a Monte Carlo style stock (Rem BDL) vs. Straight comb Classic style (M77) and how recoil is directed back to the shoulder. If the shooter has more sloping shoulders and a relatively long neck, the Monte Carlo stock is more comfortable under recoil, whereas if the shooter has more squared shoulders and a shorter neck (distance between shoulder and jaw), the straight stock is better for directing recoil straight back. The width of the buttstock has a lot to do with perceived recoil as well, with a wider buttpad spreading recoil out over a larger area. Rugers have never had soft recoil pads, though, and a soft, resilient pad certainly helps to spread recoil energy over a longer time period.
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Ted
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Big Squeeze
Optics Master Extraordinaire GOOGLE NINJA Joined: August/30/2007 Location: Anaheim, Calif. Status: Offline Points: 3143 |
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tahqua
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9-Point, SWFA has a 30.06 for sale http://www.gunbroker.com/auction/ViewItem.asp?Item=101224205
This gun will go for a very fair price and will be a great choice for elk. I also like the 7mm mag as well as the .300. They shoot flat and have plenty of energy and penetration with the right bullets. They aren't hard on the shoulder, either. |
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cyborg
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I agree, while the 30-30 is a venerable old cartridge it has limitations, depending on quarry and terrain, it will likely not be a good choice as even a second option. Heavy brush, for whitetail, bear, hog etc, where the distances are going to be short it is a formidable option. In the likely wide open spaces where there will probably ridge to ridge shooting, no amount of loading experience in going to make up for the inherent lacking of long range ability. There will always be the shorter shots that will present themselves from time to time and as such there will always be some taken with the 30-30.
I would opt for nothing less than a 7 mag for such a hunt, a 270 mag will fit the bill as well, 30-06 with the right load would be a good choice as well. 6.5 STW, 300 WM, 300 RUM, are all doable options. I like shorter barrels for brush and with the right load they can also be very good alternatives, as Squeezer will attest to. I do though have an aversion to shorter barrels when there is the possibility of long shots. The advice that has been shared by these good folks is on thje money, and I hope that you find it useful, and have a great hunt in the near future.
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lucytuma
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Now see what you started, you got squeezer all worked up again over this short mag. buisness.
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martin3175
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tahqua
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Ed Connelly
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If the question was: will a 30-30 kill an elk, well yes, close!! About 100 yards.
If the question was: should a 6 foot 180 lb. young man go hunting elk with a 30-30, the answer is NO......unless you're stranded on a mountaintop after a plane crash.
Have the fellow go out a buy a 300 Winchester Mag. or a 30/06 at least. Then go shoot an elk.
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helo18
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Definitely agree with Mr Ed here.
A 30-30 will kill an elk. If you have the right bullet, and at the right range.
For elk, I would recommend as big a gun as you can comfortably and accurately shoot. If you can't do either, you won't get an elk.
I am a big fan off the 300 Win Mag. I would recommend getting him a 300 WM or 338 WM for elk. I would honestly like to try the 300 RCM. See how it compares and feels.
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pyro6999
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if there is two things about the rcm's that i like its that fact that they fit a standard magazine, and they havent had any feeding issues at all, zero. now do i think they are the new answer to the problem, no. are they something new and cool, you bet, do i want one?? sure do, but i still really like my old school 300winy, the .338rcm would be my pick of the two.
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They call me "Boots"
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helo18
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I love my old 300 too. Only one problem. The weight. Gets heavy packing it around all day. I like the idea of having a lighter weight gun that give the same performance. I know I can hunt anything in North America with my 300, so I don't really see the need to go up to a 338. Just personal preference there. The 338 is a great gun as well. If I go up from the 300, it will probably be to the 375 Ruger.
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pyro6999
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i wouldnt want to go bigger than .338 im a wussy
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They call me "Boots"
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Big Squeeze
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