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Whats the deal with the 3-9 4200 for $250?  All the other 4200 are 2.5-10 a diferent magnification is it a 3200 with better glass?  Whats the skinny I am sur it is not exactly like the other 4200s at that price.
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trying to sell them at a cheaper price to compete with all the other swell deals swfa has going on right now im guessing
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Originally posted by pyro6999 pyro6999 wrote:

trying to sell them at a cheaper price to compete with all the other swell deals swfa has going on right now im guessing
 
I understand that part but what is the scope really
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Aren't they (Bushnell) discontinuing the 3-9x 4200??
If so, then the sale would be a close out.
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Look at the mechanicals like the turret, it is not a 3200 with 4200 glass. For the price it is simply outstanding.

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yeah, it's amazing for the price.  4200 all the way, the 3-9 is easiest to make, that is why it is cheaper, plus it's the most popular configuration.
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Originally posted by nitis nitis wrote:

Whats the deal with the 3-9 4200 for $250?  All the other 4200 are 2.5-10 a diferent magnification is it a 3200 with better glass?  Whats the skinny I am sur it is not exactly like the other 4200s at that price.
...........................The 3x9 4200 that is on sale @ $249,,,,IS,,,,,the true 3x9 4200 with the same quality as the other 4200`s!!. If you`re in the market for a 3x9,,,,,,,,,,,,,,BUY IT ASAP, while there are some left!..........I paid $298 13 months ago for mine. 
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It's my understanding that the real difference between the 3-9 and say the 2.5-10 is the erector assembly, meaning a 3x zoom compared to a 4x zoom in the rest of the 4200 line. The 3-9(4200) uses the same one piece tube as the other 4200's. It is also the fact that Bushnell wanted a top of the line 3-9 in the 4200 series to compete with other manufactures top line 3-9 such as the Zeiss Conquest to name just one example. Last year I spoke with a rep from Bushnell who stated that they were going to drop the 4200 3-9 due to the fact that it was hurting the sales of the 2.5-10. Don't know how they didn't for-see that one coming. Further, the saddle on the 3200's is "glued onto the tube and the 4200 utilizes a true one piece tube/saddle. One last thing, and again this is coming from the Bushnell source, the 4200 use a tube made from titanium alloy whereas the 3200's use an alloy tube.
 
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Originally posted by Roy Finn Roy Finn wrote:

Last year I spoke with a rep from Bushnell who stated that they were going to drop the 4200 3-9 due to the fact that it was hurting the sales of the 2.5-10. Don't know how they didn't for-see that one coming.
 
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And that is exactly why engineers hate marketing people!
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i asked chris about it im not sure if i should tell the whole story, but i will say this that bushnell hasnt decided to keep the 4200 lineup or not, i wont say whats up with the price.
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Originally posted by tahqua tahqua wrote:

Originally posted by Roy Finn Roy Finn wrote:

Last year I spoke with a rep from Bushnell who stated that they were going to drop the 4200 3-9 due to the fact that it was hurting the sales of the 2.5-10. Don't know how they didn't for-see that one coming.
 
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And that is exactly why engineers hate marketing people!
 
i wont mention what mechanics think of engineers
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i wish that were true, things would be a lot easier to repair if they were that close to the same train of thought
 
you will have to excuse me here the engineers that designed certain parts of some of our john deere loaders and bulldozers has had me and my bro in law pissed off most of the week, and asking ourselves why couldnt we be engineers? i reminded him that i suck at math and he hated school.


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If Bushnell had the marketing folks that Leupold has, that marketing conflict probably never would have come to pass.
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Originally posted by Roy Finn Roy Finn wrote:

If Bushnell had the marketing folks that Leupold has, that marketing conflict probably never would have come to pass.
 
Good point and a quick look at Leupold scopes at http://www.swfa.com/ shows that they have more products and product lines than any manufacturer. They are not afraid to make a product for any segment, from the bottom to the top.
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Yes, but they don't cross top line VX3's, for instance, with the same models in the VX2 and VX1 series. That was kinda my point meaning you won't see a 3-9 VX3, VX-L etc.... Also, the price difference between the 3-9 4200 and the 2.5-10 has raised lots of questions as to whether the 3-9 is up the the quality standards of the rest of the 4200 line.

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Like the others have said here, get one now before they're all gone! I got one a year ago and it is the finest scope I've ever owned. Better than my older Vari-XII, better than my Fullfield II, better than my Monarch.
Nothing else really competes for $250!
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Originally posted by Roy Finn Roy Finn wrote:

Yes, but they don't cross top line VX3's, for instance, with the same models in the VX2 and VX1 series. That was kinda my point meaning you won't see a 3-9 VX3, VX-L etc.... Also, the price difference between the 3-9 4200 and the 2.5-10 has raised lots of questions as to whether the 3-9 is up the the quality standards of the rest of the 4200 line.
 
That is exactly where I was going with this thread
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 It's just the most produced and lowest cost to produce magnification . As far as what nsaqam said about being better than the others he mentioned ... that's extremely debateable . It's up to quality .... just being phased out . That's how you get low priced deals ... sometimes the last year models are better than the newer ones . They always are cutting something to get that profit margin up ...  if the producers are putting in more .... believe me you'll pay more !
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i feel the 4200 is a good scope but in my eyes and i think tahqua feels the same about this, but the 4200 and monarch are to close to call for me, other than the rain guard they are very comparable on all levels, but bushnells cs dept seems like it is better than nikons.
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No question the 4200 is better than the older Vari-XII, not the newer VXII, I haven't tried one of those. The 4200 is without question better than my FFII. I love my 1.75-5 FFII but it just isn't in the same class as my 4200. The Monarch is very close and one being better than the other is debatable but the Nikon doesn't offer Rainguard.
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Alot of folks, including me, think the 4200 is better optically than the VX3's. The 4200 is very close to a Conquest IMO.
 
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i wouldnt say thats to far from my thoughts either roy
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Originally posted by nsaqam nsaqam wrote:

No question the 4200 is better than the older Vari-XII, not the newer VXII, I haven't tried one of those. The 4200 is without question better than my FFII. I love my 1.75-5 FFII but it just isn't in the same class as my 4200. The Monarch is very close and one being better than the other is debatable but the Nikon doesn't offer Rainguard.
................................The 4200,,,NOT BETTER,,,then the newer VX2`s??.Shocked......I don`t think so!! My 4200 is a little better than my new VX3, which is better than any new VX2!!......................Oooops!,,,,,,,,,,or,,,,,,,,,,Whooops! Roll%20Eyes..........Say%20What
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Originally posted by nsaqam nsaqam wrote:

No question the 4200 is better than the older Vari-XII, not the newer VXII, I haven't tried one of those. The 4200 is without question better than my FFII. I love my 1.75-5 FFII but it just isn't in the same class as my 4200. The Monarch is very close and one being better than the other is debatable but the Nikon doesn't offer Rainguard.
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