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Hi folks!
 
I'm new to Opticstalk and I'm yet another who seeks your valuable wisdom regarding rifle scopes!
 
I'd like to find a fairly good quality scope for under $200 (my budget) and i've been eyeing the Bushnell Elite 3200 and Vortek Diamondback - both in 3-9X. The Bushnell appears to be the more durable and better built of the two but lenses are "multicoated" vs. the "fully multicoated" lenses of the Vortek and Vortek has an "Unlimited" lifetime warranty which I find very attractive. Both seem to get great reviews from users but Vortek does not seem to have been in the market long enough to prove itself. Does either have the better glass and is one more capable of withstanding recoil? It's going on a .270.
 
Which would you all go with? Thanks for any advice/help!
 
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i wrote a review of the  vortex your talking about and i own a 4200 elite, while i find the vortex to be a nice scope i think i would probably take the 3200, another scope to consider for under $200 is the nikon team primos
i just got one and i havent used it in the field, but its the same scope as old monarch ucc so its a tough scope with good glass also.
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Originally posted by pyro6999 pyro6999 wrote:

i wrote a review of the  vortex your talking about and i own a 4200 elite, while i find the vortex to be a nice scope i think i would probably take the 3200, another scope to consider for under $200 is the nikon team primos
i just got one and i havent used it in the field, but its the same scope as old monarch ucc so its a tough scope with good glass also.
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+1 on what Pyro says. I don't think you can beat the Team Primos in the sub-$200 category.
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Thanks so much for your quick replies! I did look at a few Nikons and the clarity was amazing. Seemed a little heavier than the others but perhaps that's a result of good construction. :) I'll take a look at the Nikon Primos, you mention, this week. I do use Nikon Monarch binos and they are excellent. I'll keep you posted as to final selection and be sure to provide my review during and after this hunting season.
 
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Originally posted by pyro6999 pyro6999 wrote:

i wrote a review of the  vortex your talking about and i own a 4200 elite, while i find the vortex to be a nice scope i think i would probably take the 3200, another scope to consider for under $200 is the nikon team primos
i just got one and i havent used it in the field, but its the same scope as old monarch ucc so its a tough scope with good glass also.
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+2 ...I also did a Diamondback ( very heavy)  review .. I'd go with the 3200 ( at the very least for the Rainguard) , Nikon Primos is an excellent value, and if my $ -- I'd go 4200 Elite at $249.
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Thanks martin3175! I know, the Elite 4200 really seems to get the nod from everyone but $250 is really pushing the envelope on my budget. I'll mull it over - perhaps a bake sale this weekend? If you all think it's worth the extra $50 - $70 then I may have to find a way to srape up the $$$.
 
 
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excellent value- no doubt

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The 4200 is optically superior to the 3200 and I believe worth the extra money. You will find the 4200 a little "brighter" in low light conditions, due to fully multicoated lenses. Just me, but in my eyes worth the difference.
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Why not buy the "Browning" version of the Elite 4200 at around $150....exact same scope as the 4200 (as far as I know) minus the Rainguard coating?
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Good question Jughead? Are they both made to the exact same standard? Will Bushnell honor the warranty should Browning discontinue the line? If so, is Rainguard worth the extra hundred?
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Originally posted by buglemfar buglemfar wrote:

Good question Jughead? Are they both made to the exact same standard? Will Bushnell honor the warranty should Browning discontinue the line? If so, is Rainguard worth the extra hundred?
  I've read all over the internet that they are the exact same scope as the Elite 4200 minus the Rainguard, but I can't verify that for sure.  I'm also unsure about the warranty policy on them.  My short stay on this site thus far has shown me that these guys know more about optics that I ever will, so hopefully somebody will answer your questions (and mine.)   
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Originally posted by Kickboxer Kickboxer wrote:

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  There ya go!  From what I've read around the web, if Chris Farris says it about a scope....then it's gospel. Big%20Grin
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I currently have a Browning 3-9x40 mounted on my Encore muzzleloader and I also had a Bushnell 4200 3-9x40 that I sold in order to get a Conquest. I will tell you this, I took the browning and the 4200 outside and compared them. I could not tell there was any difference optically between the two at all! The adjustments are identical, They have identical plex reticles and they both tend to turn a silverish color in certain lighting. The Bushnell is a nicer looking scope and looks smaller only because the Browning has larger adjustment caps and power ring. I will say the Browning seemed to have a tiny bit more eye relief and was a tad less critical to my eye. Raingaurd...I dont know, I tried fogging them both and it did seem like when the lenses were fogged that you could see a little better through the Bushnell 4200. I even looked through the scopes from the objective end to get a look at the internals and yes they looked identical. I believe the lenses and internals are the same, the RAINGAURD and the tube material I dont know.   I also have an older Elite 4200 firefly 1.5-6x36 and I must say it seemed a tiny bit sharper and brighter than both. I think the Bushnell 4200 3-9x40 is just a 3200 Elite body with left over lenses made for the Browning 3-9x40 scopes that are currently no longer produced. I believe that is why they are not listed on the Bushnell website. I would say if looks and RAINGAURD and a free jacket and dont forget the try it for up to a year and if you dont like it return it for a full refund matter then get the 4200. If those things dont matter and you want a good scope for around $150.00, then get the Browning.
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Think I'm getting rifel scope "analysis paralysis" here. Loco Guess at some point you just make a well thought out decision and don't look back. ranburr indicated that Browning scopes were produced by Haako in Japan. and I ran across some old posts by Gale McMillan, whom it seems had some inside knowledge years ago, which only suggests that there may be differences in Q.C. between Haako and Light Optical Works (whom manufacture scopes entirely in house and who make the Elite line) - at least that is what I gather from scouring these forums. Bear in mind these posts are quite dated and may be meaningless today. He stated he had "no knowledge of B&L now that it has changed hands". Just thought I'd put it out there:
 
 
I'm not saying one scope is better than the other but are Haako and Light Optical Works scopes really the same in terms of quality? They may very well be but I guess there is some room for doubt.
 
Thanks so much for all of your input, you guys are great!
 
 
 
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