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I've been having problems with possums, skunks, and raccoons trying to get at my chickens, usually at night.  My house is about 60 feet up the hill above the coop, and the shot distance is around 60-70 yards from the house.  I have decent lights I can turn on but the illumination on dark varmints at night is challenging.  I have an M1a with a 4 MOA red dot which doesn't provide any magnification, so all though it is fine for close quarter combat purposes it isn't as helpful on small targets in the shadows at night.

I thought I'd get a Savage 10 FCP-K, in .308 because my M1a is also .308, which I'd use for dual purposes - 1) for eliminating chicken varmints day or night and 2) for being able to acquire larger targets distances to protect my farm at longer distances such as 400+ yards and for hunting deer and elk.

I need some suggestions for scopes that would be able to handle this wide variety of purposes.  I like Nikon glass because I've used Nikon lenses all my life and the light transmission on their scopes and the coatings that make the image sharper are terrific.  My only experience with scopes is the Aimpoint red dot.  There seem to be quite a number of reticle designs to choose from and some of them are illuminated, which would help with my nighttime varmint hunting.  Maybe 3-9 or 4.5-12?

I really appreciate your taking the time to help me figure this out.

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Do you have a budget you want to stay within?
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Trijicon Accupoint comes to mind for a good low light scope that could be dual purposed on a 308.  3-9 with with colored reticle, that could also put on your m1a should you ever decide to.  Can shoot both eyes open on it, like combining an aimpoint with a scope and good for low light.
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I was thinking that I could get something decent for about $500, but I'm willing to pay more if that's what it takes.

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I read some of the reviews on these sights after reading your post back to me.  They look awesome, all though it seems like people either love them or hate them - they either work the way the person who bought it expected or it didn't.  From what I gather, the center aiming point - the triangle or dot - is lit by radioactivity and the crosshairs are lit by the ambient light???  That would explain why people complain that they can't see the crosshairs while other people say the aiming point is lit like it's powered by a 12 volt battery.

Is that true?  That the aiming point is illuminated all the time by radioactivity while the other parts (crosshairs) are lit by ambient light and therefore can't be seen in the dark?

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No, only the aiming point (center dot or triangle, depending on which reticle you choose) is illuminated.  It is illuminated BOTH by tritium and by ambient light collected in the fiber optic bundle.  Since the tritium produces a faint illumination source, it isn't visible in daytime, so sunlight sends light through the fiber to the reticle.  At night, the tritium lamp provides just enough light to the same fiber optic bundle to power the reticle.  Both sources of light are transmitted through the same fiber optics.

The Accupoints are fantastic scopes.  I haven't heard from anyone who had negative things to say about them.  Some prefer different reticles, but the scopes in general are very good and the dual illumination works extremely well.
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Within your stated $500 budget the only thing I can think or is a Vortex Viper in the 3-9 range and a Laser Genetics ND3, works great on small pest like racoons, opposums, and foxes.
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Ever use a ND3? Im thinkn they'd be great for hogs!
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FarmerGreg,
How about getting a Ruger or Marlin semi auto 22LR and topping it with a Nikon Prostaff 3-9x50? My son and I use our Ruger 10/22 all the time at night shooting critters on a friends ranch. The 50 mm objective will allow for maximum light transmission and field of view especially at say 4-5-6 power. Plus, you will still be on target after pulling the trigger. A good choice IMHO plus the price is right.
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Might be too late, but also for lower price range the 3.5-10x50 Vortex Viper is selling for only like 240 right now.....
 
I think the 50 would only allow more light for like 9 or 10 power during the day, as your pupil is probably already maxed out under 8 power, which depends on age and diameter as well.  Ive never had a Vortex but just ordered one, and almost got this one as well.  Hope when I get the other one, and if I like it, that this one is still on sale.
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SS 3-9x42 would serve you well.
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If you like Nikon equipment you may want to check out the nikon buckmaster series of scopes.  I've used both a 6-18 and a 4.5-14 and I've been pleased with both.  I used them on a savage 30-06 and with a 20 MOA rail I had enough adjustment to plink around at 1000 yards.  Your 308 could do the same.
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Hi Farmer- my advice would be to get a decent illuminated reticle in whatever scope you get for that purpose.

You don't need a lot of MOA so you could use an Accupoint as recommended leow, but it would not end up being very good at dual use because of the limited MOA adjustment: 40 MOA for the 2.5-10x56, and 46 MOA for the 3-9x40 (my preferred set-up). So you cannot use these long range. The other problem is - the Accupoint is probably the best scope for short range night hunting (1911man, a member here, uses it for low light hunting), but it is pricier than your limit (around $700 for the 40mm, $825 for the 56mm). For me the MOAs are a real problem because many of my mounts are canted, and I need enough MOAs to still be able to zero at 100 yards if needed.

There are few illuminated reticles for decent money. Within your budget, I can think of the Weaver SuperSlam 1.5-6x24, for abt $500, illuminated with a German #4 reticle, a bit short on magnification but a good tool. My problem with it is that it odes not have a lot of adjustments either: 40 MOA only.

The other one I can think of, the Burris Full Field TAC30, could be the best for your application: I am looking at it too. It's a 3-9x40mm, and comes with  an illuminated Ballistic Plex reticle, for abt $400. The optics are the same as the Burris Euro line, Japanese glass that is very good, maybe in the same class as the Leupold VX-3 or a tiny bit worse.  I think it could make a great dual use scope - but I don't own it yet so this is all speculation. Other options in Burris are the Full Field Euro 3-9x40, with a heavy illuminated German #4 reticle (lit point in the center), for $350, or the Full Field Euro 3.5-10x50, same reticle, for $550.

As an offbeat option, you could try a super-cheap illuminated Vortex Crossfire scope: the Crossfire 2.5-10x50, in a duplex reticle with adjustable illuminated center point goes for $160 (SVT-Tactical, a member here, uses it for night hunts), and the 3-9x40, same illuminated reticle, goes for $140, and weighs 3 oz less.

My vote - imho the TAC30 is the most versatile. But the Crossfire is hard to beat price-wise... Btw, SVT_Tactical has a review for it here. He uses it with an ND3 though... Good luck, and let us know how you like your pick once you have it!
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Forgot to mention: all the Burris scopes I mentioned are 30mm tubes, and the TAC30 has 80 MOA.
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+1 on the Accupoint ... will work in your low light varmit killing and you can use it for hunting.  The problem with Illuminated Reticles is in most states battery operated optics are illegal for Hunting (filling tags not varmits) etc.  The other option as stated - get a 22 to zap your varmits.  Or you could put ACOG or a variable 1.5 - 10 type on your M1A. 
 
If I was in your situation ... I would get a 10/22 with a Bull Barrel - put something like THIS on it and put a woopin on those critters !!!! 
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