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Have limited my choices to three scopes for 223 flat top. Leaving price out of it ... for yotes 50 and out of range, P Dogs at all ranges, and some paper....what are your thoughts, any and all appreciated, i am going nuts here. 

Burris 4-16x50mm Black Diamond
Bushnell Elite 4200 4-16x50mm
Leupold VX-III 4.5-14x50mm

 

ok.... now down to two..see middle of thread....can't thank you all enought for the suggestions 

 

Bushnell Elite 4200 4-16x40mm

Zeiss Conquest 4.5-14 x44

 

 



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either the bushnell or the burris will be a better scope than the leupold!! maybe even try a nikon monarch
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You should read my post and replies.  I'm reviewing the same exact scopes.

 

http://www.opticstalk.com/forum_posts.asp?TID=5257&PN=1

 

 

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Personally, I'd go with either the Black Diamond 4-16X50 or the VX-III 4.5-14X50 because both have side focus and a range compensating reticle.  The 4200 is a great scope, just not available with many options, and in a scope for PDs, I want SF and a mil-dot or other range compensating reticle, 'cause I hate turning knobs to compensate for long range shots.  In the 4200 line, the 6-24X40 version is available with SF and MD reticle.  Since you said you'd be using it for PDs, I love the Leupold Varmint Hunters reticle for this application.  It features wind compensating dots and a handy "prairie dog gauge" that really helps with rough distance judging.  In addition, it is a very fine, glass-etched reticle.  I've made many long range shots using this reticle.  I disagree with the statement that the others would be a "better scope," as I've found the new VX-IIIs to be comparable with the 4200, Monarchs and Black Diamonds, having owned all of those.  While I do agree the Leupold is a bit overpriced compared to equal or better competitive scopes, one thing Leupold does offer is options, and this is one of those applications where I think the VX-III really makes sense.  I do a LOT of PD shooting, and I've used all these scopes in field conditions in the worst sort of mid-day mirage, and I think the new VX-III's optics are getting a bad rap based on the old VARI-X IIIs.  I also consider a range compensating a near must for this type of shooting.

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    Though I have no direct experience with the model Leupold you list, I have several Bushy 4200's and a Burris SS ( which is similar to the Black Diamond except a 1" tube) and I feel that the 4200 has better glass/ resolution.I do believe that ANY of those 3 choices will work fine and we are simply splitting hairs, it may boil down to what kind of deal is available and what YOUR eye percieves as a better image.In this price range it's hard to go wrong, but narrowing down the choice is part of the fun of chosing, don't you think?
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well....have looked through some but not all i need to.... next stop is looking through these two scopes side by side and and picking one if i can find a store that has em both.  I am down to the

 

Bushnell 4200 4-16 x40mm  or the

Zeiss Conquest 4.5- 14 x44mm

 

Leaving price out of it, what do you think.....and if you like the Bushnell's...is the firefly think a gimmick or not? 

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see what your eyes tell you and then make your choice then you wont be second guessing later! do you shoot in low light a lot, if not you shouldnt even think about the fire fly
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