New Posts New Posts RSS Feed - do you guys "break in" your centerfire rifles...
  FAQ FAQ  Forum Search   Events   Register Register  Login Login

Check GunBroker.com for SWFA's No Reserve and No Minimum bid firearm auctions.

do you guys "break in" your centerfire rifles...

 Post Reply Post Reply   Topic Search Topic Search  Topic Options Topic Options Page  1 2>
Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)     Back to Top Direct Link To This Post Posted: December/23/2009 at 13:57
zingpow View Drop Down
Optics Apprentice
Optics Apprentice
Avatar

Joined: December/07/2009
Location: michigan
Status: Offline
Points: 58
got this remmy 700ltr and i have honestly never done any kind of "break in" proceedure before and i've owned some pretty nice rifles in my time but i never kept them long enough to wonder if it would make a difference...there are several schools of thought on breaking in a rifle including don't do it at all...what has been your experience...if this subject has been driven into the dirt and people are ready to go to war to stop another thread on it just point me in a direction...
 
merry christmas to you and your families...life is good and always better when the kids come home to the roost...zp...
Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)     Back to Top Direct Link To This Post Posted: December/23/2009 at 14:07
SVT_Tactical View Drop Down
Optics Retard
Optics Retard
Avatar
Chief Sackscratch

Joined: December/17/2009
Location: NorthCackalacky
Status: Offline
Points: 28768

With my rem 700 sps tactical 308 I did this.  Shot 5 times cleaning well between each shot then groups of 5 cleaning between each group until I got to 25 shots.  Now I just shot and clean when I am done. 

With my Win mod 70 300 win mag i shot 5 times cleaned 5 more cleaned and then just shot and cleaned after everytime I shot. 
 
They both produce sub MOA at 100yds.  I would at least clean after the first 5 then go on until your done. 
My 2 cents
 
Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)     Back to Top Direct Link To This Post Posted: December/23/2009 at 14:08
Dogger View Drop Down
Optics Jedi Knight
Optics Jedi Knight
Avatar

Joined: January/02/2007
Location: Ontario, Canada
Status: Offline
Points: 5348
Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)     Back to Top Direct Link To This Post Posted: December/23/2009 at 14:12
SVT_Tactical View Drop Down
Optics Retard
Optics Retard
Avatar
Chief Sackscratch

Joined: December/17/2009
Location: NorthCackalacky
Status: Offline
Points: 28768
Originally posted by SVT_Tactical SVT_Tactical wrote:

With my rem 700 sps tactical 308 I did this.  Shot 5 times cleaning well between each shot then groups of 5 cleaning between each group until I got to 25 shots.  Now I just shot and clean when I am done. 

With my Win mod 70 300 win mag i shot 5 times cleaned 5 more cleaned and then just shot and cleaned after everytime I shot. 
 
They both produce sub MOA at 100yds.  I would at least clean after the first 5 then go on until your done. 
My 2 cents
 
 
Forgot to mention I always run a clean dry patch through the bore before the first shot...just in case
Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)     Back to Top Direct Link To This Post Posted: December/23/2009 at 14:13
supertool73 View Drop Down
Optics Jedi Master
Optics Jedi Master
Avatar
Superstool

Joined: January/03/2008
Location: Utah
Status: Offline
Points: 9534
It has been discussed at length on this forum quite a bit.  Some think you should, some think it is not necessary.  I doubt you will find anything here that you have not already read.  This is a good article by John Barnsness on cleaning and break in.  His findings show it is not as necessary as many people think it is.   http://www.americanrifleman.org/Webcontent/pdf/2009-10/20091015104116-cleanbarrel.pdf
I have heard other very knowledgeable shooters say just the opposite.  They claim you need to clean every bit of the material Carbon/Copper out between shots for the first little while and they clean it that good after every range session. 

But until someone takes 10 or so test barrels from the exact same lot of barrels and tests them all side by side while documenting with a bore scope I don't think a for sure answer will ever be known on which way is the absolute best way to do it.  You would need to test 10 factory barrels and 10 hand lapped custom barrels.  That way we could see the difference between the two types.

If I were rich and retired so I had a lot of time, I would be all over doing a test like that. 

Edited by supertool73 - December/23/2009 at 14:15
Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)     Back to Top Direct Link To This Post Posted: December/23/2009 at 14:13
pyro6999 View Drop Down
Optics Retard
Optics Retard
Avatar
OT TITAN

Joined: December/22/2006
Location: North Dakota
Status: Offline
Points: 22024
if your really in doubt you can try the tubbs final finish system and g from there. some people break in barrels like you would a car, take it easy on it for the first 1000 miles and then drive it like normal. others will just skip it all and use it as is.
Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)     Back to Top Direct Link To This Post Posted: December/23/2009 at 14:17
supertool73 View Drop Down
Optics Jedi Master
Optics Jedi Master
Avatar
Superstool

Joined: January/03/2008
Location: Utah
Status: Offline
Points: 9534
I did a tubbs system on a 700 VS barrel and it did infact make it easier to clean after I was done.  I saw no accuracy increase, at least nothing noticeable if it did.  IMO the fact that it was easier to clean made it well worth the cost and time it took to do it.  
Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)     Back to Top Direct Link To This Post Posted: December/23/2009 at 14:29
Roy Finn View Drop Down
MODERATOR
MODERATOR
Avatar
Steiner Junkie

Joined: April/05/2004
Location: United States
Status: Offline
Points: 4856
My take on break-in is if you are shooting a factory barrel (non-custom barrel that is) it could not hurt to send some carefully spaced rounds down tube to smooth things out. If we are talking custom tubes, that have been lapped, it is a waste of good range time.

Edited by Roy Finn - December/23/2009 at 14:29
Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)     Back to Top Direct Link To This Post Posted: December/23/2009 at 14:44
SVT_Tactical View Drop Down
Optics Retard
Optics Retard
Avatar
Chief Sackscratch

Joined: December/17/2009
Location: NorthCackalacky
Status: Offline
Points: 28768
Originally posted by supertool73 supertool73 wrote:

I did a tubbs system on a 700 VS barrel and it did infact make it easier to clean after I was done.  I saw no accuracy increase, at least nothing noticeable if it did.  IMO the fact that it was easier to clean made it well worth the cost and time it took to do it.  
 
I have heard mixed things on the tubbs.  mostly good but some horrible.  I read on a forum somewhere that a guy used it as directed and his gun went from 1moa to about 3moa  and when he had a smith check it the smith said the bore was slick as a babies arse.  Only thing anyone could come up with is that he did load right but either way.  I think i will try it if it makes cleaning better.  Worse case senario i get to buy a new barrel......Big Grin
Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)     Back to Top Direct Link To This Post Posted: December/23/2009 at 14:46
pyro6999 View Drop Down
Optics Retard
Optics Retard
Avatar
OT TITAN

Joined: December/22/2006
Location: North Dakota
Status: Offline
Points: 22024
if he did that to his barrel he must of either shot a ton of the abrasive bullets or his barrel was almost shot before he tried them, they are manufactured to only remove a tiny amount of material.
Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)     Back to Top Direct Link To This Post Posted: December/23/2009 at 14:48
supertool73 View Drop Down
Optics Jedi Master
Optics Jedi Master
Avatar
Superstool

Joined: January/03/2008
Location: Utah
Status: Offline
Points: 9534
Originally posted by SVT_Tactical SVT_Tactical wrote:

Originally posted by supertool73 supertool73 wrote:

I did a tubbs system on a 700 VS barrel and it did infact make it easier to clean after I was done.  I saw no accuracy increase, at least nothing noticeable if it did.  IMO the fact that it was easier to clean made it well worth the cost and time it took to do it.  
 
I have heard mixed things on the tubbs.  mostly good but some horrible.  I read on a forum somewhere that a guy used it as directed and his gun went from 1moa to about 3moa  and when he had a smith check it the smith said the bore was slick as a babies arse.  Only thing anyone could come up with is that he did load right but either way.  I think i will try it if it makes cleaning better.  Worse case senario i get to buy a new barrel......Big Grin


One of the rifle instructors at the school I attend had the exact same thing happen to a friends rifle.  He said it was shooting good before and after it was horrible.  They sent it back to Remington and they said all the lands and groves we smoothed out.

Personally I have a really hard time believing a tubbs system would do that.  The grit on them is so fine that would almost seem impossible to me. 
Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)     Back to Top Direct Link To This Post Posted: December/23/2009 at 14:49
pyro6999 View Drop Down
Optics Retard
Optics Retard
Avatar
OT TITAN

Joined: December/22/2006
Location: North Dakota
Status: Offline
Points: 22024
right, its intention is to just smooth out any left over tooling marks really.
Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)     Back to Top Direct Link To This Post Posted: December/23/2009 at 14:49
SVT_Tactical View Drop Down
Optics Retard
Optics Retard
Avatar
Chief Sackscratch

Joined: December/17/2009
Location: NorthCackalacky
Status: Offline
Points: 28768
i figure he must have either loaded the wrong way or shot to many thinking if 10 will clean good then 30 will be great or somethign like that
Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)     Back to Top Direct Link To This Post Posted: December/23/2009 at 14:50
pyro6999 View Drop Down
Optics Retard
Optics Retard
Avatar
OT TITAN

Joined: December/22/2006
Location: North Dakota
Status: Offline
Points: 22024
i will be interested to see what mike mcdonald has to say about this.
Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)     Back to Top Direct Link To This Post Posted: December/23/2009 at 14:54
supertool73 View Drop Down
Optics Jedi Master
Optics Jedi Master
Avatar
Superstool

Joined: January/03/2008
Location: Utah
Status: Offline
Points: 9534
There are two different Tubbs systems.  One has progressive levels of grit which is suppose to work over the whole tube.  The other is just suppose to smooth out the throat. 

I used the progressive system.  It claims is only removes no more than .0003" of metal from the bore.  That is why I have a hard time believing it would smooth it out.  But I guess anything is possible.  
Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)     Back to Top Direct Link To This Post Posted: December/23/2009 at 14:55
pyro6999 View Drop Down
Optics Retard
Optics Retard
Avatar
OT TITAN

Joined: December/22/2006
Location: North Dakota
Status: Offline
Points: 22024
Originally posted by supertool73 supertool73 wrote:

There are two different Tubbs systems.  One has progressive levels of grit which is suppose to work over the whole tube.  The other is just suppose to smooth out the throat. 

I used the progressive system.  It claims is only removes no more than .0003" of metal from the bore.  That is why I have a hard time believing it would smooth it out.  But I guess anything is possible.  

my thoughts as well bro
Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)     Back to Top Direct Link To This Post Posted: December/23/2009 at 14:55
zingpow View Drop Down
Optics Apprentice
Optics Apprentice
Avatar

Joined: December/07/2009
Location: michigan
Status: Offline
Points: 58
thank you gentlemen...as i sit here i wonder why i even asked...a guy should find out for himself and live with the consequences...hell if i lived somewhere i could hunt with a centerfire i would have already been through a dozen or more rilfes and had this conversation around the campfire during a hunt...
 
let's just drop it here and i'll wade through it through the winter months...i'm just excited about getting a nice rifle and getting to the range will probably have to wait until the spring unless we have a good january thaw so here i am whizzing on your legs...
 
thank your for your time and responses...i'll probably do a minor form of break in and leave it at that...my best to you and yours...zp...
Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)     Back to Top Direct Link To This Post Posted: December/23/2009 at 14:56
SVT_Tactical View Drop Down
Optics Retard
Optics Retard
Avatar
Chief Sackscratch

Joined: December/17/2009
Location: NorthCackalacky
Status: Offline
Points: 28768

I dont' think it was the products error personally. Operator IMO. 

Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)     Back to Top Direct Link To This Post Posted: December/23/2009 at 15:01
supertool73 View Drop Down
Optics Jedi Master
Optics Jedi Master
Avatar
Superstool

Joined: January/03/2008
Location: Utah
Status: Offline
Points: 9534
Originally posted by SVT_Tactical SVT_Tactical wrote:

I dont' think it was the products error personally. Operator IMO. 



I think you are probably on to something there.  It warns in the instructions to not load them to hot.  So maybe that causes it.

To me it almost seems worth it to just buy used guns and have them rebarreled right away with a handlapped barrel.  That way you don't have to worry about any of this crap.  The only thing I have to do to my Lilja is wipe the carbon out, it does not copper foul at all.  It makes cleaning so nice.  Yippee
Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)     Back to Top Direct Link To This Post Posted: December/23/2009 at 15:04
pyro6999 View Drop Down
Optics Retard
Optics Retard
Avatar
OT TITAN

Joined: December/22/2006
Location: North Dakota
Status: Offline
Points: 22024
my .375H&H is the same way, im not sure what kind of barrel it has on it, ive yet to take the stock off. im going to the exact gun show i bought it at in two weeks. maybe i can ask the guy who sold it to me if he remembers. 

i wish that all of my rifles were like that.
Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)     Back to Top Direct Link To This Post Posted: December/23/2009 at 15:42
cheaptrick View Drop Down
MODERATOR
MODERATOR
Avatar

Joined: September/27/2004
Location: South Carolina
Status: Offline
Points: 20483
I've used the Tubbs Throat Maintainance system and saw no difference at all. Cleans the same too.
Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)     Back to Top Direct Link To This Post Posted: December/23/2009 at 17:24
zingpow View Drop Down
Optics Apprentice
Optics Apprentice
Avatar

Joined: December/07/2009
Location: michigan
Status: Offline
Points: 58
i tried the tubbs method on my first wife and her tube came pretty clean everytime i used her...now isn't that nice...zp...
Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)     Back to Top Direct Link To This Post Posted: December/25/2009 at 10:51
Ed Connelly View Drop Down
Optics Retard
Optics Retard
Avatar
God of no Chihuahua

Joined: December/16/2007
Location: USA
Status: Offline
Points: 24220
No.  I used to sight 'em in and then clean them later.  Like after deer season...Stare
 
Most of my guns have been used before I bought them at the used gun counter....
.....I go crazy at the used gun racks....
Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)     Back to Top Direct Link To This Post Posted: December/25/2009 at 13:01
koshkin View Drop Down
MODERATOR
MODERATOR
Avatar
Dark Lord of Optics

Joined: June/15/2004
Location: United States
Status: Offline
Points: 10981
I usually go through some sort of a break-in routine, since it does not take a whole lot of time and I do not see how it can be harmful. 

After talking to a bunch of people and trying to see what makes sense and what does not, I mostly track how long it takes to make the bore clean.  With most new rifles cleaning is more time-taking in the beginning and after a few "shoot one - clean" cycles cleaning gets a lot easier and quicker.  With the latest rifle I have it took five "shoot one - clean" cycles and two "shoot three - clean" cycles.  Now the barrel ends up with minimal fouling after a day of shooting.

ILya
Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)     Back to Top Direct Link To This Post Posted: December/25/2009 at 13:20
Sgt. D View Drop Down
Optics Master Extraordinaire
Optics Master Extraordinaire
Avatar

Joined: February/20/2008
Location: North Carolina
Status: Offline
Points: 3645
Originally posted by Roy Finn Roy Finn wrote:

My take on break-in is if you are shooting a factory barrel (non-custom barrel that is) it could not hurt to send some carefully spaced rounds down tube to smooth things out. If we are talking custom tubes, that have been lapped, it is a waste of good range time.
 
 
+1  I believe most factory barrels would benefit some in the area of cleaning. But a custom barrel that is button rifled and or lapped may suffer or do no good at all. I asked Kreiger after receiving my Rem and they offered a method, but said that was just for those who insisted on some form of break-in. They said a button rifled barrel really didn't need lapping, but they do it anyway to insure easy cleaning. And that break-in wasn't necessary. This barrel is a breeze to clean and there is no fouling. I do love it. They will build any other barrels I may want. Any factory rifle I may buy. I will fire 3 or 5 rounds and if the group is really good I probably won't do a break-in. But if it doesn't group so good then a break-in may help.
 Post Reply Post Reply Page  1 2>
  Share Topic   

Forum Jump Forum Permissions View Drop Down

Similar Threads: "do you guys "break in" your centerfire rifles..."
Subject Author Forum Replies Last Post
Why I own "beanfield rifles" trigger29 Firearms 8
Friend's "new" rifle bugsNbows Firearms 21
Kahles CL MultiZero "Key" JF4545 Tripods, sun shades, lens covers, etc. 3
Photo Contest #11 -- "NEW" POLL Skylar McMahon Hot Shots 0
Photo Contest #11 -- "NEW" Skylar McMahon Hot Shots 21
Photo Contest #24 "Signs" cheaptrick Hot Shots 20
POLL: Photo Contest #24 "Signs" Skylar McMahon Hot Shots 0
Another "which scope" thread GunsIsFuns Rifle Scopes 7
Photo Contest #30 - "Industry" Skylar McMahon Hot Shots 0
Know a scope with "narrow" "turret base"??? leakycow Rifle Scopes 1


This page was generated in 0.391 seconds.