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I'm thinking of getting a rifle to do just about anything I need done and am considering the 6.5 Creedmore.

This rifle would go with me to hunt white tail deer, hogs, occasional predator, and also to the range to shoot paper out as far as I could possibly shoot given my location. 

Bear hunting isn't even on my radar screen, so there's that off the table, BUT maybe a elk hunt in the future, if the stars all align for me. 
This rifle will not be a range queen and will be drug over hill and dale and treated unkindly at times, so nice wood stocks are a NO GO.   

I have never shot one, but have researched this caliber a good bit and like what I see. 

Enter the Savage Predator Hunter Max 1....
Cheaper Than has this unit at about $750 and change. 

This rifle has the Accustock, "decent" Accutrigger, 24" barrel, detachable magazine and most importantly, it's offered in a left handed action. 
I fondled one yesterday, (a RH) at Gander Mountain and it felt OK. The stock felt a little cheap, but all in all, it shouldered well and seemed to fit me. Much better than the Tikka T3 feels, but not as well as the Rem. CDL does. The CDL doesn't come in 6.5 CM either.   

My current do it all rifle is Black Betty, my beloved .308, but I might be putting her in an AI stock down the road and just shoot her at the range. 

I'm a .30 caliber type guy to a fault and would have to start from scratch if I go this direction, but I am strangely intrigued by this caliber and by the Savage rifle. 

What say you, Gents? Get the 6.5 CM or stick with a .30 cal something or other? 
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Yes, 6.5CR is a nice little round.

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Thank you, Sir! 

 
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I've had 6.5 on my mind for about five years and somehow, I keep getting the answer; 6.5- '06.
I have '06 on the brain, really bad.
I always talk myself out of it, but then come back to 6.5 and start all over again... "just think how much fun I could have with that Creedmore!"

I feel your pain.
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Alan, you nailed it! I'm not readily moved by all the new whiz bang caliber out there these days, but this cartridge really has me curious. 

Of course, the .260 Remington is right there too. 
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My 6.5 is a .260. It has excellent penetrtion with the 140 grain bullets, is deadly accurate and has low recoil. I would imagine the Creedmore offers more of the same. Have you considered the 6.5/284?

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Originally posted by tahqua tahqua wrote:

My 6.5 is a .260. It has excellent penetrtion with the 140 grain bullets, is deadly accurate and has low recoil. I would imagine the Creedmore offers more of the same. Have you considered the 6.5/284?


No Sir, I have not. This Savage is offered in that caliber though. 
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here ya go, do a 6.5 right....

6.5mm Allen Magnum

http://www.apsrifles.com/Allen_Magnum_Wildcats.html
Parent case 338RUM
Bullet Weight: 120 gr Accubond @ 3800 fps
Bullet Weight: 142 gr. ULD RBBT @ 3550 fps



but here is the one I dream about at night while in my light slumber

338 Allen Magnum
Bullet Weight: 300 gr. Berger Hybrid Gen 2 @ 3350 fp
 408 Ct parent case  

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YIKES, Brandon!!!! 

I'm thinking, perhaps incorrectly, that the Creedmore would be more for the paper shooter, (less than 500 yards typically), while the 6.5/284 Doug mentioned, more for big game? 

Not saying, just asking. 
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I've had 2 260s, both were very accurate, both were great fun to shoot.

I eventually moved away from the caliber because I have unique needs in hunting/tactical rifles. I was disappointed in the "one shot stop" experiences I had with the 260.  Admittedly, I didn't put huge efforts into trying all available bullets.  

Since then, I have moved (quickly) toward a 6mm, even less recoil, even better ballistics (with certain bullets) and wider range of bullets to choose from (kinda.)

I really, really liked the simplicity of the 260, especially if you already load 308s.

The desicion of what caliber to get (260 vs crredmore vs 6.5/284 is a fun one.  I think Zak Smith did a good comparison, I'm not sure if any of the info is now outdated.

They shoot flat, they can be quite accurate, and they are really fun to shoot.  You need at least 600 yards to really have fun with it, though, kinda like a 300WM.
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Thank you, Gents.

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RC, I found Zac's article and will read tonight. I love reading his articles.
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He makes good suppressors too.
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I bought my wife a 6.5 Creedmoor last year and she loves it. It's a shooter and a whitetail killer.

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Wonder what Rifle Dude will say....besides ditch the Savage.
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Yes, you do!

6.5 Creedmoor and .260 are so close to each other performance-wise... flip a coin. Both have advantages over the other.

If you ever have difficulty finding .260 brass, you can neck size brass from .243, 7-08, or .308 cases.
Lapua makes .260 brass. Unless something has recently changed, they don't make 6.5 Creedmoor, though Nosler does, which I think is Norma brass, which is good too.

The 6.5 Creedmoor case design gives you extra bullet seating latitude in standard length magazine boxes, so you're more likely to be able to seat bullets close to or kissing the lands. Yet, it has almost the same case capacity as .260.

The Creedmoor's shorter COAL is a greater advantage in a semi-auto than in a bolt action.
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Oh... and ditch the Salvage.Wink
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Thank you, Ted. 

RC rightly says to choose the gear, in this case the caliber, that will suffice 90% of your needs and not to get wrapped around the axle on "some day maybe" scenarios. (Paraphrase mine). 

Given that most of my shooting will be paper up to, rarely exceeding, 500-600 yards. Want to shoot a white tail now and again, coyotes, feral cats Wink, but mostly shooting groups. 

.260, 6.5 CM, or 6.5/284?  



    
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Originally posted by cheaptrick cheaptrick wrote:

Thank you, Ted. 

RC rightly says to choose the gear, in this case the caliber, that will suffice 90% of your needs and not to get wrapped around the axle on "some day maybe" scenarios. (Paraphrase mine). 

Given that most of my shooting will be paper up to, rarely exceeding, 500-600 yards. Want to shoot a white tail now and again, coyotes, feral cats Wink, but mostly shooting groups. 

.260, 6.5 CM, or 6.5/284?  



    

None of the above.

6.5x47 Lapua is the way to go.

It is as easy to load for as 308.  Almost every load shoots well.  There is only one source of brass: Lapua, so no need to fret about brass options.

It uses small rifle primers, which helps a little with brass longevity and load consistency.

You get the same 6.5mm bullet selection.

The case length is a little shorter, so while it gives you a touch less powder, you never have to worry about seating bullets too deep into the case.

The velocity loss is trivial especially at your distances.

ILya
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Thank you, Koshkin. I hadn't considered that cartridge. 

I love all things Lapua. 
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I keep hearing that the 6.5x284 is a barrel burner. That is why I have not considered it. But I have no first hand experience with it.

These are some links for articles on the 6.5CM, 260 and 6.5x47.

http://demigodllc.com/articles/the-case-for-260-remington/?p=1

http://demigodllc.com/articles/6.5-creedmoor-260-done-right/

http://demigodllc.com/articles/6.5-shootout-260-6.5x47-6.5-creedmoor/

Hope this helps.
 
 
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WHY NOT???  sounds like a great upper for an AR...
then I could have two calibers that don't work...
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The only problem with most 6.5s, including 6.5x.284- you don't get to work the bolt very far, which is kind of a cheat. Just gotta love those long actions and a 6.5- '06. Can't say for sure why I've never actually bought one...  maybe because you just can't hardly shake me out from behind a regular '06.
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Originally posted by Peddler Peddler wrote:

I bought my wife a 6.5 Creedmoor last year and she loves it. It's a shooter and a whitetail killer.

Big Grin

Nice! 

What rifle maker? Do you reload for it or factory stuff? 
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