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i know tikka is made by sako... and i know it's the less expensive of the 2...

i'm wondering why?  specifically, what is different about the 2 rifles that makes the sako that much more expensive.

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It's due to several things:
 
1.  The Sako receiver requires more machine work due to more complex contours and therefore more time to finish.  Time = money.  The Tikka receiver is geometrically simpler and doesn't require as many machining operations.
2.  Tikka has a lot of plastic, and Sako doesn't.
3.  Tikka bolt is simpler and easier / less expensive to make.
4.  Tikka has a relatively inexpensive molded stock.  Sako wood stocks are quite a bit more expensive, and Sako synthetic stocks are a bit higher quality as well. 
5.  Sako has a bit better finish quality.
6.  Sako has more options, and any product line with more options means smaller production runs for each set of options, which drives up cost.
7.  Along with the various model options, Sako has multiple action lengths scaled to the family of cartridges they are designed for.  Tikka only has one action length.
 
Anytime you have a simpler design, few options, few variations, and less time required to produce, cost is lower because you are able to produce more of the same thing without setup changes in production equipment and production rate per unit is faster.
 
 
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+1 to what Ted said. Tikka uses about every known manufacturing "short-cut" to save $. I've had three...now I only do Sako's. Wink
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I've never liked the "feel" of any Tikka I've ever shouldered. Felt like a Sako knock off, too me.
Tikka's shoot well though and some folks love them, so there's that. 
 
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my buddy picked up a tikka Stainless Wood 30-06 for a song.....  but he can have it, it kicks like a 300 Mag.  It is beautiful no doubt, but no fun to shoot.  I mean NO FUN!!
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thanks everyone :P  even Ed...

i know tikka has a 2 lug bolt, but not much else about it... what's the sako bolt?  i've read elsewhere that the sako action is pretty good... among the best even.  and that their out-of-the-box accuracy is very favorably comparable to much higher priced custom rifles.  do you folks agree with those sentiments?

tip, i put a limbsaver on my son's tikka lite SS in .270 and it shoots like  dream, granted smaller bullet, lighter charge, but my rem721 30.06 feels much, much heavier in comparison.
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Sako is the cat's whiskers.  I don't know about their "new"  stuff........the model 75, 85, etc. 
 
 But Tikka is fantastic.  Just don't buy a flyweight.....like---- don't buy a 5 1/2 pound Kimber.................DUH!!!  
 
 
 
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Originally posted by Tip69 Tip69 wrote:

I'm a beliver in Limbsavers..... I'll tell him!


Or Kick-Eze!

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I have a Tikka M695

Easily one of my favourite rifles:  fits me well and shoots just about anything great.  The trigger is very nice and the bolt action is smoother than just about any rifle I have seen to date.

It is a very utilitarian looking rifle, but it is comfortable and it shoots.  What more should I ask for?

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Originally posted by Dyelynn Dyelynn wrote:


i know tikka has a 2 lug bolt, but not much else about it... what's the sako bolt?  i've read elsewhere that the sako action is pretty good... among the best even.  and that their out-of-the-box accuracy is very favorably comparable to much higher priced custom rifles.  do you folks agree with those sentiments?


Sako has a 3 lug bolt w/ 60-deg bolt handle travel.  The 3 lug design began with the M75 and continued with the M85 and A7.  Prior to those, all Sakos had 2 lug bolts with 90-deg bolt lift.

The Tikka 695 Koshkin mentions is a similar rifle to the T3 in terms of the action design.  Currently, Tikka only offers the T3 model; the 695 is discontinued.  The 595/695 series were a bit more costly to make than the current T3, which is why they were discontinued.  The T3 uses more plastic (for example, in the magazine) than the 595/695 did.  I feel the 595/695 rifles had smoother bolt operation and better fit and finish.  Stock design was totally different.  The 595/695 had a more contoured stock, whereas the T3 has a more simplistic stock design.  The 595/695 had 2 different action lengths whereas the T3 has only 1 action length.  The 595/695 had a side mounted magazine release vs. the mag release on the bottom of the stock for the T3.  The T3 is designed to reduce costs wherever possible, so it lacks some of the refinements of the Sakos or even the previous 595/695 Tikkas.  That doesn't mean it's a bad rifle, and in fact it is a good, dependable, generally accurate rifle; just a no-frills rifle.  It was designed first and foremost to reduce costs wherever possible so it occupies a different market niche than the Sako 85 does. 

The Sako A7 was also designed to cut costs vs. the 85, but it competes in a price category between the Tikka T3 and Sako 85, and unlike the T3 and 85, is offered in a synthetic stock only version.

As far as accuracy is concerned, on average, you probably wouldn't see any difference between the average Sako and the average Tikka.  The barrels are all made on the same equipment in the same factory, and they use the same trigger units.


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The rifle I probably shoot the most is a Tikka T3 in 300 WSM it's accurate and deadly whats not to like.
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I love everything about the Sako's (except the price).

I've only seen the Tikka T3 Lite, though I like the smooth action I feel just the opposite about the stock. 
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Originally posted by mike650 mike650 wrote:


I've only seen the Tikka T3 Lite, though I like the smooth action I feel just the opposite about the stock. 

Exactly...... 
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I have a walnut stocked M695.  I don't care for the lightweight T3.  Who would want to shoot one?  A six and a half pound 300 Magnum???!!!    Shocked    
 
 
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Originally posted by Ed Connelly Ed Connelly wrote:

I have a walnut stocked M695.  I don't care for the lightweight T3.  Who would want to shoot one?  A six and a half pound 300 Magnum???!!!    Shocked    
 
 

No doubt. 

My Sako M75 stainless/synthetic in .300 Winnie weighed more and still would knock the taste out yer mouth with recoil.  
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Originally posted by Ed Connelly Ed Connelly wrote:

I have a walnut stocked M695.  I don't care for the lightweight T3.  Who would want to shoot one?  A six and a half pound 300 Magnum???!!!    Shocked    
 
 

Mine is a synthetic stock 695 chambered for 280Rem.


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I love my t3 in 308. laser accurate and smooth as wet ice!
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Actually I have three of the T3 rifles and I dont mind the recoil at all but then I dont mind the recoil of my .375 H&H Encore either and its a tad light for that caliber.  I guess I got used to the recoil since I had my first  30-06 at age 5 I'd been shooting for two years by then. Guns with no recoil like 9mm are hardly any fun to shoot at all there is just no challenge to it, probably why I dont have a .204 or a 22-250
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tman, i really wish they  hadn't discontinued that laminate stock on the t3, that thing's sharp as a tac :)

thanks everyone for all the info, especially Ted :)  I did, through reading several other articles and sources over the weekend, discover the 2 vs 3  lug bolt difference, and going to sako's site is enough to see how many different actions and chamberings they offer. 

at the moment, i'm probably going to settle for a tikka for the comming hunting season... and save up for a sako grey wolf for next year or the year after. 
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Thanks Dye! .... it actually did not come with that stock. It came with the synthetic stock, but I have a thing for laminated stocks, so I bought it seperate. Big Smile
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Originally posted by koshkin koshkin wrote:

I have a Tikka M695

Easily one of my favourite rifles:  fits me well and shoots just about anything great.  The trigger is very nice and the bolt action is smoother than just about any rifle I have seen to date.

It is a very utilitarian looking rifle, but it is comfortable and it shoots.  What more should I ask for?

ILya
Same here.  Got one in .25-06 changed scope last year to a Vortex Viper 4x12x40.  I really like this rig.  With a handloaded Barnes 100g TSX it is VOODOO on whitetails and coyotes.
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Originally posted by tman1965 tman1965 wrote:

Thanks Dye! .... it actually did not come with that stock. It came with the synthetic stock, but I have a thing for laminated stocks, so I bought it seperate. Big Smile


i've also fallen in love with laminated stocks... i'm still pretty new to the game though, so i'm very leary about buying an aftermarket stock and doing it myself... i am thinking about it for another rifle though :p
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Originally posted by Dyelynn Dyelynn wrote:

i've also fallen in love with laminated stocks... i'm still pretty new to the game though, so i'm very leary about buying an aftermarket stock and doing it myself... i am thinking about it for another rifle though :p
 
You don't have to buy an aftermarket stock.  If you like the laminated stock, it's available as an off-the-shelf option for the Tikka T3...
 
 
 
 
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