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Anyone know?  I find it odd that the Pioneer is cheaper than the Pioneer II in the 3-9x40 spec, but the opposite is true in the 4.5-14x42 spec.  The pricing makes it seem that the 3-9x40 was improved in the Pioneer II, but that the 4.5-14x42 lost something with the "upgrade".  Also, the original Pioneer scopes have specs that more closely match Fullfield II's, while the Pioneer II's are slightly different. 

I think Koshkin mentioned something about the Pentax moving some stuff to China.  I wonder if that has some correlation to the Pioneer II name change?  The slight change in specs makes me wonder though, just how much design change may have taken place.  So does anyone really know what they changed, and which model may be better?
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The Pioneer is the same scope as the Burris Fullfield.  I use to think the difference was the same as the difference between the old Burris Fullfield and the newer Fullfield II (I think the name change may have been the result of production being switch from the US to the Philippines).  However, looking at the SWFA sales site, I'm not so sure anymore.  
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Pioneer=Fullfield II=Philipines
 
Pioneer=China
 
Fullfield II is not the same as Fullfield
 
Fullfield had the turrets farther forward
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