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Does anyone know with certainty what "all" the differences are between these two scopes.  Right now it appears to be in the adjustments - 1cm verses .5cm. and with it the range of adjustment.  Are there any other mechanical or optical differences?

Hensoldt Zeiss 6-24x72 verses the Zeiss 6-24x72
 
 
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Heinsoldt is built tougher for military and law enforcement use.



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I have been waiting for a reply from the Hensoldt technical people, but no luck.  At this time the only difference appears to be in the adjustment system - 1cm and more travel.  Optical performance is identical to the std. Zeiss.  Of course Hensoldt is also demanding a premium for the scope.  Zeiss has the 1/2cm system which is probably better for target shooting and  long range hunting.
 
Comparatively, the Hensoldt/S&B response times (if at all) are pathetic when compared to the USA counterparts. 
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 US Optics ?

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Wasn't too excited with the USOPTICS I had.  Right now from the 3 I have had, S&B, Hensoldt and USOPTICS...quality of manufacture goes to Hensoldt/Zeiss.
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The deference between the commercial models of Zeiss and military Zeiss are:

  1. the Hensoldt name for military purposes
  2. Deference in specifications (mil spec)
  3. Differences at crosshairs!
  4. at illumination
  5. At total travel of wind and elevation
  6. The body is 34 mm
  7. metal knobs

Because I have already the S&B 5-25 the quality of the optics are same (Zeiss glass everywhere) with better performance at Zeiss / Hensoldt  6-24x72 for very low light conditions.

The knobs of Zeiss / Hensoldt are slightly better than S&B.

The standard Reticle of Zeiss / Hensoldt it is much better than S&B at illumination function.

 

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Zeiss / Hensoldt illumination is very nice and compact (similar to the Nightforce).  No 4th nipple like on the S&B.... or IOR.
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Originally posted by Kons Kons wrote:

The deference between the commercial models of Zeiss and military Zeiss are:

  1. the Hensoldt name for military purposes
  2. Deference in specifications (mil spec)
  3. Differences at crosshairs!
  4. at illumination
  5. At total travel of wind and elevation
  6. The body is 34 mm
  7. metal knobs 
2 - yes the Hensoldt is rated, the Zeiss isn't but is there a difference other then in writing?
 
3. - this is not clear - no pun intended.
 
4. - what are the differences in illumination?
 
5. agreed.
 
6. - both are 34mm
 
7.  Zeiss has plastic knobs??
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Well I will try to explain:

-         As far as I know the brand name of Hensoldt is part of Zeiss Company (Carl Zeiss Optronics) and constructs only military equipment.

-         What I am writing above it is in conjunction with the mil spec MIL-STD-810E and the detailed specifications of each model under the Hensoldt name with specifications better than the commercial models and maybe the top from any other company.

-         The illumination regulated with rheostat, which mean very detailed response with the specific amount of light that you want and not at knob with pre-determinate klik. The illumination it is at all crosshair and not only at center.

-         The crosshair got the mil dot style, but the dots are hollow!! So you can see through them for better precision (view or estimating distances).

-         Most commercial models in Europe have 30 mm body (etc. Victory Diavary).

-         For the plastic knobs, I am not sure.

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-         p.s.

-         How can I put an image in my post?

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Here is time for some corrections.......
 
 
  1. the Hensoldt name for military purposes
    Some years ago they decided to drop the Hensoldt name and only use Zeiss, but of some reason they have not done that.
    I have owned 2 Military Zeiss ZF6-24x72 and is currently only owning one (Sold one to get money for my TRG 42) Both of them are military sights with 1 cm clicks, and bogth through military sales channels.
    I have sold a bunch of 4-16 that all was marked Hensoldt so here is some name confusion and it seems clear that Zeiss Hensoldt not yet have decided what name they are going to use on the military product range.
  2. Deference in specifications (mil spec)
  3. Differences at crosshairs! THe same crosshairs that is availible in the military sight is availible in the civilian sight #63 is it's name.
  4. at illumination The illumination differs not on the way it's illuminated as the civlilian no63 is illuminated the same way. But the rheostat has to be rotated to start the sight on the military version while the civilian is pulled.
  5. At total travel of wind and elevation
  6. The body is 34 mm Both military and civlian sight is 34 mm
  7. metal knobs

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New FL version should be out in the near future.  Look forward to the improvement.
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Hello Everyone,
 
My first post here after reading a lot. I am currently looking at these two models of optics and have a few questions if I may ask.
 
1) Do both the Hensoldt 6x24 72mm and Victory Diavari 6x24 72mm have steel or alum 34mm tubes?
2)Do both the Hensoldt 6x24 72mm and Victory Diavari 6x24 72mm have threaded objective lens to use the screw-on sunshade?
3)Do both the Hensoldt 6x24 72mm and Victory Diavari 6x24 72mm have the same lens coatings?ie:T* anti-reflective multi-layer coatings,FL glass with fluoride ions,Zeiss LotuTec® coating.
4)Do both the Hensoldt 6x24 72mm and Victory Diavari 6x24 72mm come with 34mm rings?
5)Do both the Hensoldt 6x24 72mm and Victory Diavari 6x24 72mm have the ability to use the rubber ocular eyepiece?
6)Do both the Hensoldt 6x24 72mm and Victory Diavari 6x24 72mm have the option of the Rapid-Z  RZ-1000 reticle?
 
Thank you in advance for taking the time to answer the questions. Looking forward to hearing feedback so that I can make an educated purchase. Sadly, there is not a place I can hold both in my hands to compare.
 
Thank you,
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Originally posted by Urimaginaryfrnd Urimaginaryfrnd wrote:

  18 Jan 2008 The biggest difference I can find is you can only get the Zeiss in the U.S. - want the Heinsoldt better plan a trip to Europe.


I thought they were now being imported to the U.S.


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They are not being imported  NOW  in 2009  ---   but 18 Jan 08 they were not.
 
 


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I asked that same question when I was talking to Zeiss/Hensoldt people at last SHOT.

With 6-24x72 models, the only differnces you have are in specs: click values, etc.

As far as optical and mechnical quality goes, they are the same scope built in the same place by the same people.

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Thanks Ilya

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I'd take a look at Premier too.
 
 
I've heard the Hensoldt is a little easier to get behind than the Premier - a little more forgiving in eye releif - but if you want a top-shelf tactical scope, I'd give Premier a look too.
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Originally posted by Urimaginaryfrnd Urimaginaryfrnd wrote:

They are not being imported  NOW  in 2009  ---   but 18 Jan 08 they were not.
 
 


What, you expect me to read? Bucky

Nice to look at and I'm sure they're worth what they ask, but those prices would make me afraid to even touch one!
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Originally posted by jonoMT jonoMT wrote:

Originally posted by Urimaginaryfrnd Urimaginaryfrnd wrote:

They are not being imported  NOW  in 2009  ---   but 18 Jan 08 they were not.
 
 


What, you expect me to read? Bucky

Nice to look at and I'm sure they're worth what they ask, but those prices would make me afraid to even touch one!




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Got a reply from a Zeiss Optronics Representative:
 

1) Can the 6x24 72MM optic be fitted with the Rapid Z RZ-1000 Reticle?

First question and the most difficult to answer....:

In the 6-24x fits not the standard rapid Z Reticle.
A recalculation of the dimentions of angeles and Lines is neccesary.
After that we can decide if it is possible (if it make sence from the
technical poin of view) to make a Scopeversion with an Rapid Z reticle in
the 6-24x class.
A main question is the cost of a possible new design and how we can
compensate it. There must be an interesting contract behind....
In summary: IF it is a intresting job behind we will think about it.
Please give us moore informations, and we thinking foreward if it is
possible.

2) Is the objective lens threaded to screw on a sunshade?

We have two possibilities: Sunshade screwable or clampable on the outside
Objektivetube. Same with an Honeycomp filter.


3) Do the 34MM mount rings come with the optic?
If you query  the scope with a mount system, we can offer it.
We can deliver an "in house proofed"and prefered ring mount system. (Not
others)

4)If rings provided, What are the height of the rings: High, Extra High?

For a gun with an extended Rail on top we have a need of min. 45mm - 48mm
mounting high.
Our supplier provide a modular ring mount design in different hight and
different slop angles (inclination to target)

5) Does this optic have Fluoride Glass?

Yes. Where it makes sence (objektive) we have fluorid glass inside.


6)Are the lens coated with LotuTec?
On the okular yes, on the opjektive, no.

7Are the lens coated with ZeissT ?
The name "ZeissT*" is an older Name of high end antireflextion coating. Be
sure, that we have optimized coated Linses for an maximized transmission
in our high end scopes mounted.

8) Is there a bag included?
No , but some supplier has intresting products. We have seen a cover for
mounted Scopes in the "tasmanian Tiger" catalogue (internet??)


9)Does the optic have " Hensoldt" on it?

yes


10)What are the differences of the Optronics 6x24 72MM and the Victory
Diavari 6x24 72MM?
6x24 72MM:
Adjustmentrange: 2m/100m 1click 1cm/100m in elevation , colored engravings
in elevation turret, MIL SPEC tested, different Reticle illumination knop
design.

Victory Diavari 6x24 72MM:
Adjustmentrange: 1,6m/100m 1click 0,5cm/100m in elevation, save locking
system in the turret(elevation/azimut),
 
Thank you,
Monnie
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