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Hello

 

I am looking at buying a Zeiss Diavari 6-24x56 T* FL but Zeiss also make a Hensoldt (military) version of the same scope – prices vary but the Hensoldt appears to be $200+ more.

 

I was told the glass is better in the Hensoldt

I was also told it is not as good

I was told the Hensoldt had FL glass

AND --- you guessed it

I was told it did not

 

I contacted Zeiss but as they belong to 2 divisions of Zeiss I could not get a firm answer

Does anyone on here know?

 

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My perception is Hensoldt & S&B are the top for that class of scope.
So, for the two you mention, I would go with Hensoldt
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I don't have to time to check, but see if the Diavari is also FFP. It might not be where the Hensoldt most likely is. Personally, I prefer an FFP scope with target turrets and matching reticle so would choose the Hensoldt any day. You can check with Nathan @ Hudisco, which is the U.S. distributor of Hensoldts and he will tell you the difference(s). (I realize you're in the UK, but that's what email is for).

You didn't mention what range of distances you envision using the scope in but I always have to state that it's best to go with a magnification range that allows for close-in shots and just enough on the high end to make it out to the maximum shooting distance. 6X doesn't give you much FOV.


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Differences between Zeiss and Hensoldt 6-24x56:
 Hensoldt has:
1. A different erector design with more elevation travel.
2. A stiffer "coaxial" erector spring.
3. 8 mils/turn with color-coded indicators.
4. Same lens composition as the Zeiss, but different coatings for increased resistance to abrasion.
5. "Microprocessor" controlled illumination system instead of a rheostat.


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I have played with the new Zeiss 6-24 the glass is good, I didn't like the locking turret system - but that's just me.

And the Zeiss I saw was SFP, not FFP.

The Hensoldt is the military version, meaning it is made to withstand more abuse.  For a safe queen, save the $200; if the gun will actually be in the wild, spend the extra $200.

Hensoldt is my hands-down favorite right now. If you can afford it, you will not be disappointed.
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I talked with Nathan after I bought my Hensoldt, and among other differences, the Hensoldt has different coatings on the lens elements.  Some have said the Hensoldt has a better image than the Victory series.  I haven't been able to compare mine to the Victory counterpart, so I can't say.
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Awesome-er and awesome-est.

Diavari and Hensoldt.
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Thank you for the info and I much appreciate you taking the time to reply.

 

BUT

 

I have just been informed by a German Dealership that the Zeiss has a 30 year warranty and the Hensoldt has only a 1 year warranty!!!!

 

This is definitely a case of less is more.

 

For basically the same scope that is worth re-considering.

 

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I would see if you can get a hold of Nathan Hunt.  He should be able to answer all your questions about the Hensoldt as he is the US importer. http://hudisco.com/contact.htm

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Originally posted by BEARCAT BEARCAT wrote:

Thank you for the info and I much appreciate you taking the time to reply.

 

BUT

 

I have just been informed by a German Dealership that the Zeiss has a 30 year warranty and the Hensoldt has only a 1 year warranty!!!!

 

This is definitely a case of less is more.

 

For basically the same scope that is worth re-considering.

 

That's interesting... the warranty on my Zeiss Diavari is "lifetime transferable"...  so stated on the paperwork with scope.
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Woops just realize you are not in the US.  My bad
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"European rule"...  probably different than ours...

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Yea, that should be a consideration.


Here in the states, both are lifetime.

One year does kinda suck, but the scope is very, very good.

Even with the 1 year vs. 30, I disliked the locking turret on the Zeiss enough to still consider the Hensoldt.
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Yes Europe and the US are very different

In the US manufacturers fall over themselves to give decent service (you may not think so)

But in Europe they think they are actually doing us a favour selling their goods.

 

Case in question I have an S&B PMII 5-25x56 with double turn turret – a superb scope

On the strength of my experience with the PMII I bought unseen a Schmidt & Bender 12,5-50x56 Field Target scope it cost about $3800 – what a load of rubbish!!

The glass is not up to PMII standard and there are other problems. I sent it back to S&B to be "sorted" it was returned with the windage turret almost seized.

I contacted S&B regarding this problem and they said return it. I questioned the postage costs as last time it cost nearly $300 (inc insurance). That was nearly 3 months ago, I have written 6 times asking what they will do about correcting the situation but no reply.

My last letter gave them 7 days to respond or my attorney will take over.

What is the point of a 30 year guarantee if they will not honour it?

 

Reference the locking turret on the Zeiss – look at the latest S&B on YouTube being demonstrated at Shot Show 2010

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RMwy-wCSlig&feature=related

Even the designer is struggling with the lock.

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Hi Guys

 

I bought the Hensoldt 24x72 from Germany

 

I have now found two problems  Loco

 

1/ Only 2 year warranty from Hensoldt ---- I mentioned the lifetime warranty in the States and they say it is not a factory warranty – but the US adds say factory warranty.

 

2/ The elevation turret reads half a click out – midway between each click mark so you don’t know if you are on 1 click or 2 ---- 20 or 21 clicks etc, etc.

The manual say this is Normal; I enquired about the other Hensoldt models and was told they are the same.

I then enquired about the Zeiss Diavari 72 --- was told this was the same.

 

I just don’t get this Schmidt & Bender, Swarovski and as far as I know none of the other big names have the problem, why Zeiss??

 

Any thoughts or advice; should I just ship it back? --- Problem is I really like the scope other than the 2 points mentioned.

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