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I ordered a set   and am waiting for them to arrive. Anyone currently using these? Looking to use them as a surveillance binocular while on patrol. The Vortex warranty is appealing.


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Sorry Ted, I understand. I've purchased from SWFA in the past, they're top notch. 

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What is the maximum distance for surveillance?

Will the 12x50 be used for observing people only or for other things such as license plate numbers?

Will you be using a tripod or monopod?
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I'd like to be able to read plates at (100-200 yds) and be able to see people clearly in same. If need be, I can get a window mount to steady them for extended viewing. 

Is 12X going to be enough?
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12X should be more than enough for reading plates and identifying people at 200 yds. I think 10X is plenty, as a matter of fact. I'm personally not a fan of binos with more than 10X magnification. The resolution gains you get from the extra power is offset somewhat by the more critical stability requirement to counter image shake/ vibration. In addition, you have narrower field of view and shallower depth of field, which will require more refocusing as you pan to view other objects at varying distances.
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A binoculars window mount is always a great idea, especially as you focus out to maximum 
distances on your license plate numbers.



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Thanks for the replies guys, appreciate it. I reckon my tripod for my camera ought to work fine if I ever decide to support them that way. 

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Originally posted by saltspray saltspray wrote:

I reckon my tripod for my camera ought to work fine if I ever decide to support them that way. 

You will need a tripod adapter to attach the binocular to your camera tripod.

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I'm with Ted here.  I think 12x is too much.  For example, the Swift Eaglet 7x36 is a bread and butter binocular item for Swift.  They sell them by the ton to Law Enforcement agencies under various contracts for ..... surveillance Big Smile

You can read plates and ID people further away than 200 yards with 7x.
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Originally posted by Klamath Klamath wrote:

I'm with Ted here.  I think 12x is too much.  For example, the Swift Eaglet 7x36 is a bread and butter binocular item for Swift.  They sell them by the ton to Law Enforcement agencies under various contracts for ..... surveillance Big Smile

You can read plates and ID people further away than 200 yards with 7x.

That's good to know. One of my co workers has a cheap set of 12X60 old school looking ones he got for $40 at a pawnshop..so I figured that was a normal level of magnification. After looking through them, I question whether they actually mag 12X though. 
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Originally posted by Bird Watcher Bird Watcher wrote:

Originally posted by saltspray saltspray wrote:

I reckon my tripod for my camera ought to work fine if I ever decide to support them that way. 

You will need a tripod adapter to attach the binocular to your camera tripod.


Ahh sweet, thanks. 
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Originally posted by saltspray saltspray wrote:

 

That's good to know. One of my co workers has a cheap set of 12X60 old school looking ones he got for $40 at a pawnshop..so I figured that was a normal level of magnification. After looking through them, I question whether they actually mag 12X though. 

I think it is a very common mistake people make concerning magnification.  More can be better, but the more magnification you get, the more specific use oriented the binocular becomes, and frankly the more magnification you get, the more you need to pay for something decent.

There is a reason 7x is standard military magnification

Hey there...you...suspicious person...wait there while I get my tripod and adapter all set up...

With a 7x the image will be steady, the binocular...particularly the Eaglet will be small and easy to get up fast when you need it...not after the instant passes.
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Originally posted by Klamath Klamath wrote:

Hey there...you...suspicious person...wait there while I get my tripod and adapter all set up...
...not after the instant passes.

Surveillance is much more than a "passing instance".


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Originally posted by Bird Watcher Bird Watcher wrote:


Originally posted by Klamath Klamath wrote:

<span style="line-height: 1.4;">Hey there...you...suspicious person...wait there while I get my tripod and adapter all set up...</span>
<span style="line-height: 1.4;">...not after the instant passes.</span><span style="line-height: 1.4;">
</span>

Surveillance is much more than a "passing instance".



No fooling, I never would have guessed that.

Edit to get back to topic Big Smile

I've had to surveil things around the ranch from time to time.  Who was screwing with the pump.  Who was taking scrap iron, or swiping gas or screwing around with equipment in the field.

Boiling it down to its simplest forms, there seem to me to be two needs.  One for something that is relatively unobtrusive and quick to hand and equally quick to use.  That is where a nice compact of 7-8x will really be nice.  Other times when you can set up relatively stationary for some time, then you can get a little bigger with some more magnification.

Look at a small spotter like the nice compact 50 mm from Minox.  No bigger than a large binocular, you can set it up for digiscoping to get pictures.  Which I've heard are worth a thousand words...or something.  The Minox is relatively inexpensive too. 



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They were delivered today. They are definitely crisper than my co workers 12X60 generic models. They seem to reach further and shake a bit more..will compare side by side tomorrow. 

I see what you guys mean about the depth of field between varying distances in same FOV..have to refocus. I can also see where 12X would get tiring for extended viewing..but for now they will do wonderfully. 

Tried some sample areas near where I live..and the image is clear enough to ID a person a 1/4 mile away..and read a license plate at an estimated 125 yes free hand..albeit a bit shaky. I think if braced I could double the distance or more. 



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How about these?


" the agency also wanted the binoculars to have a range from 1,000 to 10,000 meters, and be able to spy moving vehicles at a range of up to 6 miles."
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Took them to the beach today. Looking at ships on the horizon..I could read their names if I could brace my arms. 12X seems to have some good reach. 

I may get a set of 8X42 or 10X42 in some nicer glass for travel and keep the 12X50s for the occasions I want reach. These will likely replace my spotting scope for days at the range too. 


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I wanted to follow up. 12X is definitely a bit much for extended viewing. I'm likely going to look at a pair of 8X or 10X.
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