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Hey, Im new to the forum. Been reading for a while. Im a deer hunter from North Carolina. I have places where I hunt bean fields that could require some 400 yard shots. I shoot a .270 mostly, I use a Leupold a VXII 3-9x40, and am ready for an upgrade. I was going to get a VXIII, but it seams there is better glass for similar prices. I am currently considering a Zeiss Conquest 3-9x50, or possibly a Kahles CL 3-9x42. I think the Kahles is better, but is it that much better for the price difference? I have also thought about the Monarch, the 4200, and the VXIII. I would like to know what you think... Im sure you've all read it before but once again this is a deer gun for lowest natural light circumstances. Im pretty sure the Kahles is the best that Ive listed, but where do the Conquest, Monarch, 4200, and VXIII stack up?
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Monarch would be the best bang-for-the-buck as it is on sale at www.SWFA.com  . 

 

or I would wait for the Kahles KX as they have the same

glass/coatings as the C/CL's without the sidefocus.

 

the elite 4200's IMO, outperform equal sized conquests.

 

but for the money, Meopta Meostars hang w/ the bigboys (high-end zeiss, swaro, and kahles)

 

try the meostar in a 50, or 56mm objective and enjoy the brightess on those beanfields. i recommend the #4 reticle for lowlight.

 

any of the above would be a wonderful upgrade. good luck and let us know what you decide.

i hunt in similar situations in SC, so i feel your pain ;)

 

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and welcome to the OT - this place is great.

 

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Welcome to the OT.  I to live in eastern NC, Wilson.  Hunt deer stands.  Have to.  Local laws.  How about you?  I have never owned a Kahles or Zeiss, never felt the need to hunting deer around here.  Looking through the scopes, outside at gunshops, they look good and the guys on the forum will probably tell you the Kahles is the best for low light.  But, having hunted around here my whole life, I have gotten buy with routine scopes of 40 to 44 mm objectives in really low light conditions and have taken as many deer as those with the big 50 objectives.  My personal preference of the scopes listed, is to buy one of the Monarchs that SWFA has on sale.  I just bought the 5.5 x 16 44 mm for 302.95 and that is a steal.  Nikon has brought out a new line of Monarch scopes, but the old model is super and to get them at the on sale prices are great.  Go to the Monarch list and if it does not say new in front of it, it is a brand new old model Monarch that is on sale.  Sometimes they have to back order, but it is worth waiting for and around here in NC, you do not need the Kahles.  Spend the extra money on another rifle, reloading equipment, shotgun, ammo, mounts and rings, gear, did I say another rifle, etc.
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the only thing about the 4200 i dont care for is it is bulky, i dont know if that's an issue for you most people who use them forget about it cause the glass is pretty nice.
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JD, there ain't nuttin' wrong with what you have now. IMHO don't fix sumthin' dat ain't broke.
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I agree with ScubaSteve, if all your going to be doing is hunting deer with this rifle you already have a scope that is on the high end for what your doing, Why replace it. 
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Budget: 3-9 conquest would be a exellent upgrade at 399.00 or you may want to look into a 3-9x42 Kahles KX.

 

Exellent choice replacing that old VXII, you should do well on ebay.

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there are much better scopes out there than a VXII - for not a lot of money.

 

your eyes AND freezer will thank you for it.

 

J

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Originally posted by JDL25 JDL25 wrote:

Hey, Im new to the forum. Been reading for a while. Im a deer hunter from North Carolina. I have places where I hunt bean fields that could require some 400 yard shots. I shoot a .270 mostly, I use a Leupold a VXII 3-9x40, and am ready for an upgrade. I was going to get a VXIII, but it seams there is better glass for similar prices. I am currently considering a Zeiss Conquest 3-9x50, or possibly a Kahles CL 3-9x42. I think the Kahles is better, but is it that much better for the price difference? I have also thought about the Monarch, the 4200, and the VXIII. I would like to know what you think... Im sure you've all read it before but once again this is a deer gun for lowest natural light circumstances. Im pretty sure the Kahles is the best that Ive listed, but where do the Conquest, Monarch, 4200, and VXIII stack up?

 

JDL alot of your hunting sounds familiar. I also hunt large bean & corn fields in the south. Opportunities of 250-400 yard shots can present themselves, especially early in the morning during the rut. I love Zeiss & Kahles scopes & I myself am waiting for the new Zeiss Rapid Z recticle. .

 

Zeiss will have the Rapid Z recticle in the 3-9x50. You'll have great visual clarity, low light capability & a recticle to help you with the long shot if one presents itself. 

 

http://www.zeiss.com/C1256BCF0020BE5F/ContentsWWWIntern/3DC0 003746AB21148525726200057786

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Welcome to this site!  Sit down & stay a while .

 

Sounds like you've got a good list from which to choose your upgrade.  My personal preferences based on your stated usage:

1) Kahles CL: best dollar for dollar scope in the world, IMHO.  Will be fantastic for the deer hunting in N.C.;

2) Zeiss Conquest: another great scope, glass quality is very good;

3) Nikon Monarch: awesome sale going on right now w/SWFA; very good glass & tracking too;

4) Bushnell 4200: glass on par with the Conquest but eye relief can be finicky, not something you want to deal with while hunting in low light;

**HONORABLE MENTION: Meopta Meostar--"jonbravado" says it about a well as can be said.  Excellent glass and a very good value.  Just haven't looked through one with 50mm+ objective in a hunting situation.  I imagine that I'd rate it higher but I can't without personally looking at a deer through one...

 

Best of luck & let us know what you decide...

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I hunt in SC.  Like you we get to shoot very late in the evening (up to 1hr. after sunset).  I have a 4200 in 50mm.  I can tell you that you won't hardly believe the difference between your VX-II and the 4200.  My 4200 is significantly better than my Vari-X-III's in those low light situations.  As you know, in our area Leupold has an almost cult like following, but folks just don't know what they are missing.  Of course Leupold has the best warranty in the business, and that is worth something, but it doesn't do you any good when The Hartford steps out in the clearcut 45 min. after sunset.  On another note, do yourself a favor and get the Nikon 10x56 ATB binos.  All I can say is WOW.  You will be able to see extremely well in low light.  I was really surprised.
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Everything that has been said is accurate. So I only have a couple of things to add.If you're going to upgrade, go ahead and upgrade....Don't up a notch and then question it. Go ahead and get something that gets you excited everytime you look through it. I personally like the Meostar line with the 30mm tubes and big objectives. In the daylight you'll see minor differences in the scopes mentioned. Do yourself a favor and go to a store where you can compare yourself, AND  do it on a cloudy day, or at dusk, outside of the store. That is where the better scopes shine, literally. Good luck.

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i would very much recommend the same scenario. get as many side by side in the lowlight and see the REAL image.

 

i agree w/ ceylonc's pics - ceylon, you need to try one of those 50 or 56 meostars in the lowlight. wow.

 

the ONLY change i would make is the CL has side focus, if you don't need side focus, wait on the kahles KX to come out.

kahles makes such a sweet product.

 

let us know what you pick. thanks

 

J

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Im not sure why my font is bold, I apologize...

Thanks for all the info, and the advice, I appreciate it. People around here will take their Leupolds to their graves with them screaming that there cant be a better scope. I use to think like this, but I really dont think its true anymore. I looked through a buddies Conquest 3-9x40, and it was so much better than my vxII it was rediculous. I think I want one... might go with the Monarch, but probably one of the two. I like my VXII just fine, but really, I cant stand being able to see through my binoculars and not through my scope. I lose track of time see deer in the bino's, pull the gun up and I can forget about it... Thanks again so much I like this board.

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the conquest is a good scope. no doubt.  i would reccomend 50mm for the lowlight though.

 

i had a 44mm conquest that was a great scope. however the 50mm elite 4200 i replaced it with was a good bit brighter.

 

i think the the monarch UCC's on sale are just as bright or brighter than the above scopes.

and the meostar is brighter yet.

 

for the money - get a monarch and enjoy sitting that extra 15-30 minutes in the evenings.

or close your eyes and pick one of the afformentioned scopes, as they are all big upgrades to your VXII.

 

good luck.

 

 

J

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Schmidt & Bender. Then your buddies will bbe jealous of you.
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