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Poll Question: What should be the minimum caliber to hunt deer with {not elk or moose
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44 [61.97%]
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11 [15.49%]
8 [11.27%]
3 [4.23%]
1 [1.41%]
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im talking all deer,from texas to canada
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i voted for the .220 swift cause i know that the .223 the 22-250 the .204 ruger will all take deer as long as the shot is placed, i personally start my deer fodder at .257 and work my way up to .308 cal rifles
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Wow!  I wonder what the reasoning behind someone selecting the .300 and 7 mags as the MINIMUM deer cartridge?!!!  They must have much tougher deer where they live than I've ever seen.
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just like my jim zumbo story, lets use the .338 ultra mag for mulies, gotta kill em extra dead you know.
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Originally posted by pyro6999 pyro6999 wrote:

just like my jim zumbo story, lets use the .338 ultra mag for mulies, gotta kill em extra dead you know.

 

I'm still laughing about that one. 

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in a way i wish he would have missed, the episode i watched today they were in alberta hunting black bear over bait, sitting in tree stands and a momma bear and her two cubs were hanging out around the bait and the males kept coming in and she kept chasing the cubs up a tree and finally a boar big enough to shoot came out and the lady drilled him one with her 50 cal muzzleloader but the cubs were still up a tree and so she calls jim and the guide and they almost get ate up by the sow it was also amusing.
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Too long ago to admit, I started off with a 243 Model 70 to hunt deer with. Recoil was easy to control, and I got lucky in finding a load it shot ( 100gr Winchester) well. I only took a couple of does and a small buck with that rifle, but all dropped without the need for a second shot .However, I do believe if that the heaviest available premium  load is necesssary .



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i think anything HUNT-worthy smaller than a .243 would be too risky.

 

too fast a bullet, too small of a hole, too much risk of wounding or losing a dead animal in the hunt.

 

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Who said....."Don`t use cannon to kill mosquito?" Confucious??................I know a guy who loves his 30-378! He also has a 338 RUM! Most of the game he hunts is deer........He just likes those cannons.....His ego swells up at the range................
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.416 rigby out of a t/c encore thats overkill on deer
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A .270 is a nice all around caliber, but what it really gets down to, is with the selection of bullets available today to handle fast movers and slow movers to allow proper expansion at short and long distances at those velocities, it is a shooter's choice.  One of my favorite huniting rifles for deer where I live, is a simple Howa 300 win. mag. with a synthetic stock topped with a Simmons Aetec, 350 for the rifle, less than 100 for the scope (pre-Blount close out) and I used Remington Core Lokt 150 grain bullet at distances to 200 yards max.  Never found any exit wounds, hits were perfect, deer dropped where they stood and there was little destruction of good meat, based on the placement of the shot.  For some reason, that continues to be one of my favorite rifles, shooting sub-moa, since sighting it in, several years ago and never messing with it since.  Never have shot hand loads through it.  Never had the chance to, yet.
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wow your 300 doesnt exit on deer? i have yet to retrieve a bullet out of my 300 from a deer.
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I guess with that 150 grain bullet moving at such a velocity it just breaks up.  Since I usually hunt by myself, I drop my deer off at a local shop that will do everything for you to your specifications, for 75 dollars, including seal packing your meat as you ordered.  That included making sausage, links or in bulk, hamburgers, tenderloins, hams and tenderized pieces for salsibury steak.  Thats why I have never found the bullet to see what it looks like.  I get the deer there in less that 30 minutes after its shot, so it is as fresh as possible.
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I guess another possibility is, that in the darkness, I did not look close enough and could not see the exit wound, but at the slaughter house with good light, I couldn't.  I still may have missed some.
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i shoot a 180 out of my 300. we process all are own stuff so we know what we are getting.
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My all around gun is a 30-06 with either 150 or 180 grain bullets, depending on where I'm going to be.
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those are good choices
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cal/wt/results meat
.223 rem @ 63gr (always clean)
.270 win @ 130-150 (clean)
30-30 @ 150 (sometimes messy,range)
300wbymg @ 180 (sometimes messy,range)
30-06 @ 150 (sometimes messy,range)
45-70 @ 300 (clean,always short range brush)
20mm M56A3/A4 @ 1563gr (always messy due to HE incendiary j/k)(CAUTION:only use when deer hiding in BTR-70 or like armored vehicle)

only use the 270 for stags now out of an Encore 15" only T&T shots are neck.
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i have only ever had one deer get really f'd up and that was because it was a very close shot (like 15 yds or less) and i happen to be carrying my 300 win mag with 180 gr ballistic tips, that back side shoulder really took it hard, i could have put a mini basketball in the exit hole. other than that small hole in slightly larger hole going out,even on elk nothing has been bad.
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In my opinion, the .243 would be the minimum caliber choice for deer................When the mention of the 7mm mag or especially all the 300 mags. (short and longer actions) come up, it seems that some draw the conclusion that these are inheritently or natural overkill on deer. It`s that last word "magnum" that possibly draws that first knee jerk reaction or conclusion from alot of people,,,, as overkill!............What they forget or don`t think about is, that for a reloader, these cartridges can be loaded down using different powders, thereby reducing that extra velocity and energy not needed for deer....... Hypothectically for example. If someone says  that the 30-06 or a .308 Win. using the 150, 165 or even the 180gr. bullet are the two best all-round choices for deer; then any 300 mag. owner, short action or otherwise, can certainly load down to the 30-06 or .308 performance levels using the same given bullet weights. Would that knowledge reduce the overkill stigma or stereotype that the magnums have? I would want to think so.........Perhaps the reloading versatility, especially with the .30 cal. magnums, is seldom thought of and overlooked? Possible? 
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I agree Squeeze; I don't at all think the magnums are necessarily overkill.  Dead is still dead, even if the extra energy is wasted.  With the wrong bullet choice, the extra velocity of the magnum could cause excessive fragmentation and meat damage, which could be viewed as "overkill."  "Magnum" is a relative term used to denote a cartridge with greater case capacity producing more velocity and energy than other cartridges in a given caliber.  Depending on the case capacity and caliber, a "magnum" may or may not be out of proportion to deer sized game.  The .240 Wby is a good example of a magnum actually designed for deer sized animals.  So, I don't believe the word "magnum" is the issue, but instead that the specific magnums listed, while certainly appropriate for deer hunting, produce way more than the "minimum" energy threshold required to ethically kill deer. When one refers to a magnum cartridge as being "overkill," it's often not based on any knee jerk reaction or stigma associated with the word "magnum," but just the realization that lesser cartridges are perfectly adequate for the game animal, and so a "magnum" isn't essential for the job.  In other words, if one was buying a dedicated "deer only" rifle, unless one just happens to find a particularly good deal on a rifle so chambered, why have the extra recoil and higher ammo cost of the magnum if a more moderate cartridge will accomplish the same thing?  If, on the other hand, you were selecting a rifle for every game animal on the continent where deer just happens to be one of many different animals on the menu, a .300 / 7 mag class cartridge not only makes a lot of sense, it's really the best choice.

 

That being said, I would be interested in hearing the reasoning behind why 15 voters (at the time of this post) felt the short mags, 7mags, .300mags or "something bigger" should be the "minimum" calibers to hunt deer with. 



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"dead is still dead even if the extra energy is wasted" not true ted, the energy excerted on the animal is still there the end result is an extra dead deer so its not wasted really it just kills the animal an extra amount.

why did 15 people vote the way they did, i am guessing they think that if it aint a mag it aint macho, or in other word they have small cox's disease!

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Rifle Dude...............Very eloquently stated. But when I chat with many people at the range or otherwise, many automatically assume overkill on deer because of what they say to me during those conversations. In my experience, they really do at first or initially, have those knee jerk reactions and associate the word "magnum" as overkill on deer sized game without thinking of the reduced reloading potential...........After I explain that I use reduced velocity and energy reloads for deer to between 308 & 30-06 levels, they then understand. Now! I will grant you that using the full performance potential of the 7MM Mags. and the 300 Mags. is overkill on deer. And I too, am somewhat surprised as to why anyone would consider the 7MM Mags or the 300 Mags. as their minimum choice for deer. Even I would like to understand that reasoning.........The main point in my last post was to emphasize that the magnums can be reloaded down to reduced levels suitable for deer without being overkill. They can become "non magnums" so to speak with the reduced performance levels. As best as possible, it is up to the individual reloader to use the right bullet and for the most part maintain the right velocity level so that there is no excessive bullet fragmentation and meat damage.....You yourself may not believe that word "magnum" is the issue! And your right; it isn`t. But initially, there are people that associate some magnums as too much for deer not realizing what the reduced the reloads will do..............They see my compact Frontier at the range for example and ask "what are ya shootin there?" I say a 300 WSM. "What do ya hunt?" When I include deer in my answer some have asked, "you hunt deer with that cannon?" "Hot damn!".............Then I explain about the reduced reloads. Then, their perspective completely changes from initially thinking magnum overkill to my more practical approach using the reduced performance loads. I tell them that just because my rifle is stamped 300 WSM on the barrel, does not necessarily mean that it`s highest possible level of performance is what is coming out of the barrel.........................Enjoyed your comments!............................Big Squeeze!    
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i dont care what people think about my choice's of calibers for deer i will shoot a deer with what ever caliber i want as long as its legal in that state, i load my own ammo and i do it with one thing in mind, accuracy, i dont care how fast it comes out i care about it hitting the target where i want it to, so if i have to slow my 300wsm down to 2700 fps to get the kind of accuracy i want then i will, so at that speed i am comparable to a 165 coming out of a 30-06 yeah the bullet is 15 grains heavier but the deer wont know that. if i was like jim dont call me dumbo zumbo i would use my .338 ultra mag on mulies and so what if i do, so what if i live in a state where the .223 is legal, so what, to me it shouldnt matter if its magnum or not and nobody should look down on anybody else because they use a magnum and likewise a person who does use a magnum shouldnt look down on somebody for using the .243 either.
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Pyro.................Yep! You are right! As long as it`s legal then who cares! But you know how these forums can become. One subject can turn onto other subjects which were not related to the original subject. I don`t believe that occurred here. The reason that I brought it up is because in my experience some people do associate certain magnum calibers as too much overkill for certain game, until I explain what reloads can do. The subject matter on this particular thread polls minimum caliber usage on deer. I voted for the .243 even though I don`t own one...................Nevertheless it`s still fun to discuss certain things even though, nobody really cares what any of us use for our deer hunts!  
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