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Thats not good.I just can't see how they get away with it.
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Who else are we gonna give amnesty too??? GEEESHHH.
 
 
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If this actually works in DC how far off will it be pushed nation wide. If that ever happens it will be a blood bath. I might not be but one person and might not have allot of friends or be in the "IN" group or very smart, but I'm this way for a reason mainly because I stand unshakeable in what I believe in and will not back down on it and I will not give up my god giving rights to have weapons. Damn an amnesty I would rather die than give up.

 

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Man, next thing you know it will be New Orleans all over again.  They will just go door to door with unconstitutional federal written warrants and force the people to give them up.  I can't believe they are trying to pull this crap right before the ban gets put in its place by the courts.  
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thats why they are trying to do it , they know its going to be thrown out and dc cops are trying to get ahead of it.
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Exactly, I was just griping cause it makes me angry just thinking about it.
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I sure hate to see this type of thing happening. I have been in law enforcement all my life and I understand that for our society to be free we must retain the rights granted us in the bill of rights. 

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Think of it this way; if the second amendment does not mean what it says then the fourth amendment does not mean what it says. That means they (government) can search your house and person without a warrent. Now I could go on and on but the jest is the Bill of Rights would become meaningless as the courts would interpit it however they wanted.
Dale is also right. D.C. is trying to get ahead of a bad law by trampling on another amendment. Can you say tyranny in the capital.
As for the amnesty; think about the poor victim of a crime when they find out that the piece of evidence that could convict their attacker is distroyed and the case is swept under the rug.
I also have been in law enforcement for 30+ years and this sickens me, as I watch the document I swore to uphold treated like trash.
I have seen knock and talk work. Knock on a suspect's door (no real probable cause) talk them into letting you search their house, find the evidence, take them to jail; and it's legal.
I'm from the government and I'm here to help you.
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Simply pure BS...I agree--smells like New Orleans all over again

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I can't believe this is happening in the US of A.  If this kind of crap is tolerated, rest assured it will spread elsewhere.  This bullsh** pi$$es me off to no end!Furious  There are no curse words in any language adequate to express how fighting mad this makes me!
 
It does sound like the DC officials are trying to preempt the SC ruling on their gun ban.
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Too bad that the Supreme Court does not have enough self respect to slap a contempt of court on the Chief of Police and Mayor of DC. This shows the corruption supported by the corrupt, or is it the corrupt supporting the corruption.
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I would like to see them try some bullshight like this in the south.  This is beyond ridiculous.
 
We are heading down a very very bad path.
 
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Here is an update of what the police are now doing. 
http://video.nbc4.com/player/?id=236513
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Thanks for posting this, Johnny. 
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I can not believe how stupid this whole D.C. gun ban is. How stupid do they think people are? What a waist of time and resources for the police.
Oh yes mister police officer come on in and please search my house for guns. I have three that were used in murders. They are in the closet in the baby's room that hasn't been fed in a week,on top of my box full of crack. Yea that's gonna happen.
This is all about job security for the criminals and government. With lots of unarmed victims, the thugs have a safe and plentiful work environment. The victims have to depend even more on government to protect them, who can't because they are under staffed, so they have to raise taxes to pay for more services (not police) to take care of the victims.
I could rant on about legal issues, violations of civil rights, and politcal power, but I will not.
You had better hope the Supreme Court declares this law unconstitutional or we will all go from citizen to surf.Head%20Banger
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Originally posted by 3_tens 3_tens wrote:

Too bad that the Supreme Court does not have enough self respect to slap a contempt of court on the Chief of Police and Mayor of DC. This shows the corruption supported by the corrupt, or is it the corrupt supporting the corruption.
 
It is, without a doubt, a stupid, poorly thought out, almost certainly corrupt program that is full of problems and has the great potential to be used as a tool for violating peoples' rights.  However, it is not being done in violation of any standing court order so; there would be nothing on which to base a citation for "contempt of court." 
 
The Supreme Court has agreed to review and decide the issue but, until that review is complete and a decision is rendered, the D.C. handgun ban remains in full effect.


Edited by lucznik - April/08/2008 at 17:29
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i dont no bout any of this legal technical stuff but i shore hope we dont get are guns taken away this stuff chaps my hideWhacko
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Free Ride 
     Go out shoot 30 people then be released free. Sounds like an invitation for a slaughter. What kind of idiot comes up with this Sh#t. What a way to reduce the population. Free Gang War. No prosecution. I'm glad that I don't live there.
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Originally posted by 3_tens 3_tens wrote:

Free Ride 
     Go out shoot 30 people then be released free. Sounds like an invitation for a slaughter. What kind of idiot comes up with this Sh#t. What a way to reduce the population. Free Gang War. No prosecution. I'm glad that I don't live there.
 
I've already posted my distain for this program so; don't go flaming me for correcting you on this but, in the interest of accuracy...
 
The only crimes for which amnesty is being offered as part of this program are gun-possession crimes.   If said firearm had been used in a homicide, for example, the possessor of said firearm would still be on the hook for the murder.  They just wouldn't have additional charges for firearm possession added to the docket.  
 
The D.C. Police Chief also stated that her officers would not be "turning a blind eye" to other signs of criminal activity in the home should they present themselves.  Thus, clear indications of child endangerment, drug use, etc. would not result in the "free ride" you have suggested.
 
It's still a stupid idea.  But we should debate it on its actual merits, not on overblown exaggerations.
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 like MR Heston said, " From my cold dead hands!!"
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I hate to disagree with you lucznik, so I won't, but if you go back and read the first report in the first thread A police spokesman said that other crimes discovered during searches would be granted amnisty too. Now this may not be what they mean but this is what they heard, and in the confusion the judge may through out the charge because the defendant didn't understand their rights before granting the search. I know you don't think it could happen, but if it could happen it will happen in a court of law. HUH? Say%20What I know it happens because I've seen it happen.
After giving my opinion on a case, a defense lawyer asked me if I had a license to practice law. I said yes, thats why you and your client are here.
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Clearly there has been a great deal of confusion as to what the DC Mayor and Police have in mind with this program.  This is likely why there has been the need for the Chief of Police to go on the radio and "clarify" the intent and purpose of the program.  Nevertheless, amnesty was and remains an option only for the applicable gun-possession charges and not for any additional criminal activity that might be observed.
 
They also have had to modify their implementation plan as they received such a negative response to their initial idea of having officers go door-to-door asking for permission to search.  Now, for example, searches are being done by citizen request and appointment only.   Citizens are also being given the "option" of having officers arrive in uniform or in street clothes.
 
Regardless, the plan is crap.
 
 
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Last week the supreme court heard arguments regarding the second amemdment. although it was regarding the District of Columbia's law concerning handgun ownership, The courts' rulings have frequently been more broad in scope than simply the question at hand. Bears watching.                                                                                                          John
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The smart ones will allow a search on a clean house then after the police leave it would be a good place to hoard all the weapons. It has been cleared.
 
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Free Ride 
     Go out shoot 30 people then be released free. Sounds like an invitation for a slaughter. What kind of idiot comes up with this Sh#t. What a way to reduce the population. Free Gang War. No prosecution. I'm glad that I don't live there.
 
I've already posted my distain for this program so; don't go flaming me for correcting you on this but, in the interest of accuracy...
 
The only crimes for which amnesty is being offered as part of this program are gun-possession crimes.   If said firearm had been used in a homicide, for example, the possessor of said firearm would still be on the hook for the murder.  They just wouldn't have additional charges for firearm possession added to the docket.  
 
The D.C. Police Chief also stated that her officers would not be "turning a blind eye" to other signs of criminal activity in the home should they present themselves.  Thus, clear indications of child endangerment, drug use, etc. would not result in the "free ride" you have suggested.
 
It's still a stupid idea.  But we should debate it on its actual merits, not on overblown exaggerations.
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Read the article Quote:"A police spokeswoman said that if evidence of other crimes is found during voluntary searches, amnesty will be granted for that crime as well."
This is directly the merits of the program. Not overblown exaggerations. Please read the article.


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