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This was Sst 180gr with 75 grains of H4831sc in a 300 win mag this was a 5 shot group.at 110 yards.The hit on the left is from another test with game kings.The shot like total crap.but i thought the sst's was not bad .

 

 

 



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my 300 win really likes 4831 too, so im not surprised yours liked the stuff as well, i am however surprised the game kings didnt shoot better, but it may have been the load too.
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Pyro,

i am not going to give up them just yet.I'm going to lower the powder a bit and see.If that dosen't work i'm going to try R19 or 22 to see if that will help them shoot some what better.but honestly they hit every where.one would be 4 inches to the left the next would be to the right.i couldn't have payed one to hit a good spot on the target.

 

Oh well back to the drawing board.

 



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reloader 19 and reloader 22 will probably work very well for you, my 300 wsm loves r19 and 180 pro hunter
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IMR 4350 for 180gr. pills in my .300 Win Mag.

 

RL22 has also been a proven powder for several people, but not my Sako, sad to say .

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I haven't tryed any of the RL powder yet.i have had good luck with the 4831sc so far.If i can't get the game kings to settle down and fly straight i will try it.

with the 4831 i shot the nosler BT and the SST really well ( i thought anyway) but the game kings were everywhere.

 

Any good loads for them (game kings) i will be willing to listen to and maybe try.

 

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Originally posted by Bigdaddy0381 Bigdaddy0381 wrote:

I haven't tryed any of the RL powder yet.i have had good luck with the 4831sc so far.

 

I wasn't trying to dissuade you from your recipe, Big Daddy. 

Just yacking is all.....   Stay with what works.

 

 

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I would say that works Bigdaddy, good shooting.
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75 gr is over 3000 fps
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My 300 wm likes 4831sc also, but likes H4350 even better.  I havent gotten around to try the RL powders yet.  With the way my current load shoots I see no reason to try anything else. 

 

Good group Bigdaddy and good luck with finding a recipe

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Oh yeah yack away i don't mind at all.I'm always open to some new info from people like you guys that have done this alot more than i have.

 

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I'm not sure what the fps is on that load.

 

if my thinking is right i should be close to 3000 i'm hopeing anyways thats my goal and only if it shoots straight.

 

I shot 60+ rounds i have figuerd out that 74.5 grains dose better with the nosler BT and 75 dose better with the SST

the game kings would not shoot well with anything i tryed.i would shoot 5 shot groups and wait a while for the gun to cool and shoot 5 more.the barrel was hot hot hot by the 5th shoot.

 

Do any of you think 75 gr is to much or to hot of a load?I have 1 case that got stuck but came out with a little force.but i had no head stamp impresstions or flat primers.

Just wanting to know ya'lls thoughts.

 

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well considering that hodgdons web page lists 73 gr of 4831 as max then yes its a little hot but, at the same time if its shooting well, which sounds like it is and you are noticing any evidence of over pressure as you mentioned then i would stick to it. that 73 gr max load is 2990 fps and i would be willing to guess your in the 3025-3040 fps with your load. i think that 4831 load i came up with for my 300 win was in the 2800-2900 area and it kills things extra dead as will your 75 gr payload.
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I wounder if i'm pushing the game kings to fast? i still have a few left i might try dropping down to 73 and working up to see.

yeah most of the manulals i have read have been below what i'm using.but it shoots well.I have a brused shoulder but was still fun.

 

 

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My 1985 Sierra manual says 49.6 gr max for the 180 gr GameKing. I would say that your load is pretty warm. 
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Big,

75gr of 4831 is pretty hot.  If you're having difficult extraction or ANY signs of overpressure, it's best to err on the side of safety and back down a little.  If you're already borderline pressure-wise, a hot but somewhat safe load on a relatively cool day can become an extremely dangerous load on a hot day!  DON'T RISK IT!  You will find other charge weights that produce good accuracy if you experiment a little longer without having to push the envelope.  With any given powder, there are generally harmonic nodes producing the best accuracy at several different velocities. Your safety is far more important than trying to tune a load by continually going over max on powder charges.

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Good shooting on the sample target, by the way!
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It was about 75 degrees or better saturday with no wind.so the temp was mild.I didn't have any case the got stuck or even was hard to eject.i think i might drop down to 74 and see how it work out if i still get the same results from that i might stay with it.the only thing that seem wierd to me is that the case is not full maybe 90% or so.i have talked to a few people and they say it dosen't matter but seems strange to me.

Also i was talkng to a match shoot last night and was asking him a few question.one was about weights of charges.he told me he dosen't weigh his.he dose his on volume.

have you heard of anything like this before.

 

this guy has a reputable rep in the shooting world so i belive what he says but wether i do it or not is another thing.

 

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Sometimes depending on the powder, you can completely fill the case and not worry about overpressure.  It all has to do with the burn rate of the powder.  When the burn rate is optimal for the case capacity, max loads will completely fill the case.  With 4831, or any other powder where you reach max pressures before the charge completely fills the case, you need to pay close attention to max load recommendation and let your rifle tell you whether or not your pressures are too high.  If you notice ANY signs of excess pressure, even occasionally, you should err on the side of safety and back off the charge a couple grains.
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one thing i find intresting is that if you go to nosler web page and look into there reloading data they show some loads to have over 100% load density like in the .204 ruger they publish that 29 gr of varget is 102% load density or the .218 bee 16 gr of reloader 7 is 106% but yet these are just compressed loads i found it neat that if you pull up alliant powders page they too have reloading data on site that shows like 82 gr of r25 in the 300 win with the 180 gr bullet  that is like 3100 fps!!!! wow!
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I didn't have any sighns of pressuer useing 75gr. No flat primers bolt was easy to move while ejecting.i might do 10 or more to make sure. i know with the Nosler bt i'm going to drop down they opened up but the sst shot well with 75.

 

I'll more than likely go down to 73 and work up on most of the loads but the sst did to well to change.

 

also around where should i start with 200Gr triple shocks? (just for target)

 

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i will check my manual on that 200 tsx data and get back to you

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Also i was talkng to a match shoot last night and was asking him a few question.one was about weights of charges.he told me he dosen't weigh his.he dose his on volume.

 

charging by volume is the best way, once the weight of that volume is known-- the important part is how consistent the volume thrower is-- devices like sinclair  are the best -- however I load" match"loads on Dillons without any problems. If the powder being using is loading at about 100% density it is very easy to double check visually, before seating the bullet. some powders almost always load . in compressed loads, varget, 4831 ball powders very rarely.

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loading by volume sounds a little dangerous but if a lot of people do it there must be some tricks to knowing what ok and whats not.

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The only trick to loading by volume is using a very consistent powder measure and selecting a powder that even when loading a 100% density, compressed full case charge, you're still within safe pressure limits.  Often, but not always, a powder that meters well and still provides just the right burn rate to allow 100% case volume charge will give excellent accuracy.  Some loading manuals, like the Nosler manual, will list charge density % in the load data.
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Pyro,

Thanks for looking for me

 

ted ,

i guess if you are loading by volume would you use a faster burning powder and have head space as pressure releaf?

I know he was also saying seating the bullet to where it touches the lands will be better for accurate shots but have more pressure.and if you back off a little that pressure will be down but it "might" change point of impact a little.

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