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Hey guys I recently aquired the rifle I took my first white tail with. Sad news is that my father isn't as meticulous about his rifles as I am mine. It's an old tang safety m77 that I used to shoot 1/4" groups with in highschool. It's currently chambered in 25-06 but I would like to change it to 6.5-284. Can anyone here point me in the right direction for a custom barrel. I can't make up my mind on who to go with and would like to know if I am thinking in the right direction anyhow. I am currently undecided between Pac-Nor, Lilja, Hart, and Douglas. Is their anyone else out their I should be considering?
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krieger and e.r. shaw make decents tubes as well.
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Hmm I've heard a lot of bad about e.r.shaw. will look into krieger.
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...and Rock Creek, Broughton, Bartlein, Brux, Shilen...


All of the top names in custom barrels make great barrels that will really shoot.  They all use the same steels, all hold the same land and groove tolerances, and all hand lap their barrels afterwards.  There will forever be debates on whether cut vs button rifling is better, but the end result is all that matters. 

I would pick based on lead time, available twists, available contours, whether you want special rifling profiles (i.e. 5R, 5C, ratchet, 3 groove vs. 5 vs...) and pricing.  You won't go wrong with any of the custom makers' tubes as long as you can get exactly what you want within the timeframe you want, at the price you want.  Picking the best twist rate for the bullets you plan to shoot and chamber dimensions for your chosen load is far more important than who made the barrel.


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Thank you rifledude, that was what I was wanting to know, so outside of lothar walther they are pretty much the same quality as long as I get the airguaged barrels. That is what it seems like to me just from looking, I have read so much what seems like crap from the net I just wanted to ask people who don't feel like they are seriously going to be defending their families lives with every rifle they own. I swear, it seems that everyone is going to war with their custom rifle these days. I just need a accurate barrel that I can try to hit a 1000 yard metal plate at the local shooting club and maybe do a little hunting on the side with.
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Pick one of the top makers that also installs the barrel as well. Me, I'm a Hart Barrels guy. Douglas doesn't lap their barrels, although many people seem very happy with them anyway.
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My McGowan has been lights out as well! I would suggest one of the top brands and a quality smith to chamber and thread it.
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my .375H&H is a mcgowan tube, and it shoots very well.
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I ve had lilja and a obermyer. Both shot extremely well and are very easy to clean
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As mentioned before -- McGowen Precision Barrels of Kalispell MT.
 
I have had a number of barrels including Lilja, PacNor, Douglas & Hart and the McGowen is easily equal to those.
 
I have among my many McGowen barrels a Douglas #4, contour in 6.5-06, 1-8, 24 inches and it handles anything from 100 gr Hornady AMax's to 140 Barnes Match burners but I use mostly 123 Hornady AMax's.
 
I use McGowen's services to fit my barrels and do not ask for extra ordinary specs and they do just fine.
 
I prefer (just my opinion and personal preference) the 6.5-06 over the 6.5-.284 because I can get lots of .30-06 brass easily and it seems to feed better.
 
In any event I believe you will be more happy with your new 6.5 than the .25-06 probably because of a better selection of long pointy match type bullets as well as the super good varmint killer the 100 gr Hornady AMax. 
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Douglas is another good one
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I would add Benchmark to this list.
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I have
 
Douglas #4
Hart with Sako contour
Brux #5
Pac-Nor 3 groove #5
Shilen #4
Lothar Walter on factory Beretta Mato
 
All are good shooters.  The Brux is the only cut rifled, all others are button rifled.  Hart is the only stainless.  The Douglas is lighter in the same contour than the Shilen (great on a hunting carry rifle).  The Pac-Nor 3 groove is the fastest and cleans up the easiest.
 
More important than the barrel manufacturer is the gunsmith and how well he reams the chamber and squares the action.  I had the Hart done at their facility (turn key job) and they did a good job but there was no interaction between me and the technician doing the work.  3 of the others were done by a gunsmith in Salt Lake City (you can ship a gun anywhere in the lower 48 for about $25.00 insured) and was in constant contact with him making decisions on headspace issues, setting the land depth, neck dimension and finish length.  I like that part of it, after all it is my gun.
 
If you build a 6.5x284 then you will have more decisions than normal with the 2 different kinds out there (Norma or Winchester) and the many differences in cases.
 
Since you are in Houston you might have a talk with Charlie Sisk who is a nationally know gunsmith.
 
 
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obermyer is another good one. 
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Thankyou guys I settled on a Lilja tactical contour, I have a few friends that met up with me yesterday afternoon and the accuracy of the Lilja barrel is impressive. They also allowed me to pay the barrel out over the weeks it will take to turn it out witch helps with keeping the wife happy. This is my first custom and was looking at going with cherokee custom guns but if their are any other good gunsmiths in Houston anyone else knows of please let me know. I am trying to keep all the work in my area just for my comfort , I like looking them on the eye when I bring work to them. I plan to do all the stock work my self.
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Good choice. Lilja makes a good tube. The one i had shot fantastic and cleaned up easily as well
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Spoke to Charlie Sisk today and he recomended Cherokee Rifles as well. Guys name is Jack Smith and I have herd good things about him but he doesn't true Ruger actions, how much of a difference will this actually make in overall accuracy?
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Originally posted by Bigdave Bigdave wrote:

Spoke to Charlie Sisk today and he recomended Cherokee Rifles as well. Guys name is Jack Smith and I have herd good things about him but he doesn't true Ruger actions, how much of a difference will this actually make in overall accuracy?
 
Depends on how outta whack (square) the bolt face is.
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I have 5 M77 MKII's and 1 old M77 (tang safety) that have been "trued" up none of them have been especially difficult to square up including lapping in locking lugs, squaring receiver ring, and squaring up the bolt face. The locking lugs were lapped in vs. a machining operation.
The Ruger M77 is a good strong stiff action and should be more popular than it is. About a 6 weeks ago I was able to score any number of hits at 1100 yd. steel using my 44 yo M77 SA (squared up) that was last rebarreled 21 years ago with a custom contour 27 inch long 1-9 Hart barrel in 6.5-.308. (123 Hornady AMax & H4350). I have seen very very few Ruger M77 actions used for long range shooting but I think that this is because shooters are somewhat conservative and prefer the usual and customary including the easily accurized Rem 700. That would extend to major barrel makers who have established high quality reputations over the years.
 
I have noticed that very little metal needed to be machined away during the squaring operation but as long as you are going with a Lilja (premium plus) I think it best to square up your action.
 
The gunsmiths that I deal with get a little "put out" with more than casual interaction from their clients or customers, some of which agonize over such details as minor degree differences in leade angles.
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The reasons some gunsmiths won't "true up" Ruger 77 actions is simply due to its geometry.  Since it isn't round like the Rem 700, in order to true it up, they would have to build a special eccentric lathe fixture or mandrel to hold the action while they indicate the barrel tenon bore on-center in order to face the lug abutments and recut the threads.  This is much easier to do with the Rem 700 because it's essentially a tube, with the barrel thread bore concentric with the outside diameter, so it's easy to chuck up in a lathe and turn on-center.  This is also why most of the custom aftermarket actions follow the Rem 700 template, and if it's easier to make, it's also more economical to make.  Then, you have the problem with the fact the outside dimensions will vary a bit from action to action, so unless the fixture is adjustable to accommodate this variation, it could only be used on a select few actions that check exactly the same dimensions.  Otherwise, the barrel thread bore wouldn't be turned exactly on-center on those actions with dimensions falling outside the exact dimensions for which the fixture was made.  The Ruger 77 receiver is investment cast, and the Rem 700 is lathe turned from bar stock.  That doesn't mean there's anything wrong with the Ruger 77 action; it just isn't as user-friendly to setup for customized machine work. 

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Stevey, what is this Lilja premium plus you speek of? When I spoke to them on the phone they said they only make one grade of barrel, do I need to call them back? Also do you have any info on anyone who will true this action for me? I am having a hard time here and really want to build on this particular rifle. I really love it. As for as interaction with the smith I have berry little time to be buging them.
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Check with Greg Young at Southern Precision Rifles.  http://www.bugholes.com/

He built my .308 and he did a fantastic job.  Not sure if he works on Rugers, but you could ask him.
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Lilja makes one grade of barrel.
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