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I was wondering what everyone uses to get that stubborn copper fouling out of your rifle's bore.  Regular nitro solvent or equivelant doesn't seem to do much for it.  I know some barrels are more inherent to copper fouling, usually the better made barrels tend to foul less.  I have used Barnes in the past but that stuff is pretty nasty to handle... but maybe that comes with the territory.
 
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The "nasty" Barnes CR-10 for me and mine. Wink 
Not as messy as Sweets either, but it seems to work well for me.
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Yea, voodoo, that's the stuff I was talking bout.  It does indeed do a good job.  Ammonia I believe is the main ingredient.  But is there something more user friendly with similiar results?

 
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Wipe  Out or sweets but if you use Sweets be sure you oil the barrel afterward or it will rust. My own preference is for Wipe Out it has lub properties and does not need the oil patch after cleaning
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The two best I've used were CR10 and Sweets. I'm pretty sure that any/all that dissolve copper have ammonia. I have not tried that Outer's foul out system but I have heard many say that it works like a charm. Perhaps JB could comment on some of the newer "foaming" type bore solvents.

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sounds good, I'll try those out.  Thanks. 

 
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I've had great luck with Bore foam ( gunslick and break free) ..
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The Wipe Out does not have ammonia but it sure shines the barrel up and I have not had any rust after using and not oiling
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Duce, does that stuff cut through copper as well?
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Originally posted by Duce Duce wrote:

The Wipe Out does not have ammonia but it sure shines the barrel up and I have not had any rust after using and not oiling
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How long do you normally have to leave it in the barrel for it to be effective?
I might have Wipe Out confused with another product, but I thought that Wipe Out goes in and you leave it overnight or some such.  
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Wipe Out cuts copper great, the thing it does not dissolve is lead but it will soften lead so it comes out easily. The Wipe Out challenge is clean you rifle like you normally do then use wipe out an follow the directions letting it set for an hour. I did and I wound up cleaning 20  guns that were already cleaned. It is very easy to use. I have a shelf of cleaning chemicals but Wipe out gets the most use now. I found it at Sportmans Warehouse but they are closing their local store so I bought the rest of their stock here in town. The inside of the barrel will shine after you use it.
I am compulsive about cleaning guns but lazy and this works great for me                               Duce  Smile
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Thanks Duce, good info.
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I use Outers Nitro Solvent. It does very well. There was another that I used for quite some time....... I can't remember what it was though. I just know that I haven't seen it in a few years.
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I've been using Boretech Eliminator. It contains no ammonia, and is odorless. I run a few soaked patches, let it sit overnight, brush it out, then patch it clean. Works good.
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Originally posted by Roy Finn Roy Finn wrote:

Thanks Duce, good info.
 
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Montana Extreme was around for awhile, but it doesn't seem as popular around here as it once was.
Worked OK.
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ammonia can be thought of as hydrogen amines, wipe out and the rest can be thought of as methyl amines, the amine ending indicates that that the nitrogen will complex with copper to form water soluable salts, which is why they work. Both are basic (as opposed to acid) and will cause corrosion. So take precautions. most just vary by the concentration of ammonia. Strong ammonia soln. TS will do the same thing for about $2 a pint instead of $6 for 4 oz.

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The latest version of Wipe-Out is much better than the early version. All you have to do it leave it in the bore overnight and it will clean down to bare metal in all but really heavily copper-fouled bores. There's no need to clean out powder fouling first. As somebody already noted there's no need to oil the bore afterward, as with many other cleaners.
 
If a rifle bore really copper fouls then it is a candidate for Ultra Bore Coat. This can be slightly tricky to install, though Ultra Coatings Inc. will do it for a reasonable fee if you send them your rifle. If done right it will greatly reduce (as in 90-95%) or eliminate copper fouling for the life of the barrel. I have installed it in several barrels now and it works as advertised.
 
The tricky bores are usually under 6mm and over .30. It's applied like bore cleaner, on cotton patch in a clean and degreased bore. The trick with the smallbores is to use a fairly loose-fitting mop instead of a patch. Otherwise the UBC gets squeezed out of the bore by a tight patch. In bores over the .30 the problem is getting enough on the bore. This sometimes requires a couple of treatments.
 
It is especialy great in rifles that get shot a lot. I have installed it in the bores of several varmint rifles, especially a couple of .223's. Neither copper-fouls at all anymore. All I have to do is patch out the powder fouling now and then, and with clean-burning powders this isn't very often.
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I used to take 3 or 4 rifles and a couple of pistols with me to the range, then spend all evening cleaning.  Now I take the Wipe-out too and use it at the range before I leave and lay the guns down in the back of the suburban by the time , about an hour, I get home it only takes about 30 min to have all the guns cleaned and in their cases.  I use a fiberoptic otoscope to check the bore since I don't have a bore scope, it will let me see about a foot down the bore from each end and I have been happy with the results.
Just my experience
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Thanks for all the replies and info.  Duce ya got me thinking that I gotta try wipe-out.  I will attest that Barnes CR-10 does a good job but just might burn your face off if you don't watch it... hehe. 

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I have tried all kinds of cleaners over the years.  I am really impressed with the Wipe Out.  I use it with the Accelerator.  My wife is not bothered either since Wipe Out does not wipe out your sinuses. 
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I use Montana Extreme copper killer or sweets
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I still have sweets around but I have not used it since I first tried Wipe out , I used to us it then after drying everything I would lube everything again with Break free SmileCLP or Mobile 1. Now I just use the wipe out and only lube if I know the gun will not be used for some time.
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the best stuf that I have used so far is butchs bore shine .
 
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Another user of the bore foams.  Mainly WipeOut but the Outers bore foam works too.  If you have a well used rifle that you have cleaned in the normal fashion with the liquid solvents and oils and then use the WipeOut it will take 2 or 3 treatments to get it clean.  After you have started using the WipeOut then 1 treatment will get your barrel clean.

I usually clean between 25 to 50 shots because I mostly shoot custom lapped barrels so they don't foul as much as some others.  I do shoot a lot of the Barnes bullets and they don't seem to foul any more than regular gilded copper jacket bullets as long as you don't have any of the old X bullets without the cannelures.
 
IMO (and we're all entitled to one), harsh solvents and repeated scrubbings can do more damage as far as wearing the barrel out than a one time treatment with a bore foam.
 
The trick is learning to use the foams without getting it all over you, the bench and your gun.  But that is another whole topic.
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