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I am happy with the Conquest 3-9x40 with Z-Plex. It works well for me in low light. I just wish that the center crosshairs were a bit heavier, for faster visibility in brush. Either way, i use it in brush and deep woods, and i can make shots 29 1/2 minutes after sunset.
 
How does the Swarovski Z3 3-9x36 compare optically and reticle wise? How is their Plex reticle compared to the Zeiss Z-plex? I see that their #4 reticle has the thick bars pretty far appart, but how about the center hairs, are they slightly heavier? 
 
Is there any other scope that i should look at? I hunt mostly brush and forest, shots are up to 100 yards. I don't like mil-dots, BDC's etc. Here are my requirements:
2.5x or 3x at low end, high end does not matter (7x-10x is ok)
3.75-4" eye relief with wide and forgiving eye box, constant eye relief preferred
reticle slightly heavier that Z-plex or at least like that, thick bars close together and thin bars not thinner than Z-pex
low light optics at least like the Conquest
budget: $400-$1,300  
 
I know that i can get the Leica with no 1 reticle, but still looking for opinions. I looked at Meopta Meostar 3-9x42 with #4c also. The center hairs were too thin.
 
I could look into the #60 Illuminated on the Duralyt; but, again, the thick bars are far aappart and the thin bars appear very thin. 
 
Have a great fall hunt.  
 
 
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Thought about the trijicon accupoints? 3-9 might be just the ticket.
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Trijicon AccuPoint Rifle Scopes
 
 
 
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Originally posted by anweis anweis wrote:

 
How does the Swarovski Z3 3-9x36 compare optically and reticle wise? How is their Plex reticle compared to the Zeiss Z-plex? I see that their #4 reticle has the thick bars pretty far appart, but how about the center hairs, are they slightly heavier? 
 
 


The Swarovski z3 is optically better than the Zeiss Conquest.

The Swarovski plex is much like the Leupold fine duplex and is thinner than the Zeiss Z-plex. I like Zeiss' plex reticle version better for hunting.

Swarovski doesn't offer the #4 in the z3 series, only the 4a reticle. The 4a outer posts are spread out further from the center, with their #4 reticle the outer posts are closer to the center. IMHO, their 4a is really nice, their #4 is better.


Please note each manufacturer's 4 reticle can vary.


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Eye relief in the Trijicon seems iffy: it is listed as 3.5-2" That means i have to re-adjust my hold and head position if i change the power setting. They probbaly are very good, but this is holding me back. Plus, i hope that i have 25 years of hunting ahead of me. A 15 year reticle puts me off. I buy my toys only once. 
Thanks for your replies. Especially about the Swaro plex. Keep them coming.
I am also looking into Leupold's custom shop higher end scopes with heavy duples or duples or such.
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Originally posted by anweis anweis wrote:

Eye relief in the Trijicon seems iffy: it is listed as 3.5-2" That means i have to re-adjust my hold and head position if i change the power setting.


The huge variation in eye relief only applies to the 2.5-10X56.  The 3-9X40 Accupoint only has 0.4" difference in eye relief between 3X and 9X -- 3.2 - 3.6"... practically nothing.  If you read specs somewhere that the eye relief is as you stated, that information is incorrect.  The 3.2 - 3.6" spec is on their website, in their literature, and on the box the scope comes in.  Regardless of what the specs say, in actual use, it might as well have constant eye relief.  I own one and I don't have to move my head position at all from low to high power.  I would place Accupoint optics about in the same league as Conquest. 

Between Conquest and Swaro Z3, I agree with Mike's comments.  The Swaro has a bit better image quality, but the Conquest plex is thicker than Swaro's version, and I like the Conquest reticles better overall across the board.  IMHO, Zeiss' Z-Plex is one of the best plex designs available.
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I have both the z3 is a noticeably better scope. As far as the reticle that is more of a personal like/dislike thing IMO.
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Originally posted by RifleDude RifleDude wrote:

The 3-9X40 Accupoint only has 0.4" difference in eye relief between 3X and 9X -- 3.2 - 3.6"... practically nothing.  Zeiss' Z-Plex is one of the best plex designs available.
 
I agree on the z-plex, but Leopold's duplex and heavy duples are not bad either. As far as the Accupoint 3-9x40, the eye box size, or the eye positioning, is it generous and forgiving?
 
In an ideal world, i would have a Nikon Monarch Gold with #4 reticle (no longer available) with Trijicon illumination. But, that would make it into a $2500 Swarovski or S&B.
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Originally posted by anweis anweis wrote:

Originally posted by RifleDude RifleDude wrote:

The 3-9X40 Accupoint only has 0.4" difference in eye relief between 3X and 9X -- 3.2 - 3.6"... practically nothing.  Zeiss' Z-Plex is one of the best plex designs available.
 
I agree on the z-plex, but Leopold's duplex and heavy duples are not bad either. As far as the Accupoint 3-9x40, the eye box size, or the eye positioning, is it generous and forgiving?
 
In an ideal world, i would have a Nikon Monarch Gold with #4 reticle (no longer available) with Trijicon illumination. But, that would make it into a $2500 Swarovski or S&B.


I would say the Accupont 3-9X "eye box" is not as forgiving as either the Z3 or Conquest, but it's not what I would call critical either.  I've seen much worse.  If you correctly position the scope for optimal eye relief and your shooting form is consistent, it's really a non-issue.
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The other think you mention about 15 years.  Keep in mind that after 15 years that doesn't mean it will be unusable.  Just that the tritium will be half as bright theoretically.  THe fiber optic portion would still be usable.  You can also send it in to have them recharge/replace the tritum lamp for a fee as well.  IT won't be unusable. 
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Look at. 1.5-6x42 with a #4 Reticle
See if the samplelist has a demo Scope
Or check into the Meoptas same power range
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I considered the Z3  but got the accupoint  and very happy with it 
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You might try the Leupold VX-3 in 2.5-8x36 with one of their "post and duplex" reticles.  I have the 1.75-6x32 with the Post and duplex reticle on my 9.3x62 mauser.  It's great. It's basically a #4 with a normal duplex reticle, except it's configured like a #4.  The difference is the posts coming in are not as heavy, but there's no top post, and they come closer to the crosshair. 


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I run a 1.5-6 x42 S&B with an illuminated dot for my close in, low light gun.

The size, power range and glass is perfect for those conditions like you describe and good for hunting out to 400

If I were in your shoes I would order one of these from SWFA and test it out a few nights back to back against your other scopes.

Don't mount it, just test it's glass and reticle.

I suspect you would be quite happy with it id they got the illumination right and it can be set very dim.
Meopta has great glass..
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