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My zeiss 3x9 is on backorder so that gives me a chance to reconsider my choice...   I held a 4200 and conquest side by side the other day and noticed the zeiss has better glass which is why I ordered it, if I would change my order it would be to get a 6500 but only because it has a nice 16x zoom. 
 
 
I read that the 6500 has the same picture as a 4200 which means the zeiss would have a better image than the 6500... correct?    
 
 
Which scope has better glass?     would the 6500 be the better deal if it was sold for $100 more than the zeiss? 
 
 
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6500 has 4200 glass in it
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Zeiss has a better Image picture in my opinion. However the 6500 is no slouch and that 6x zoom is amazing!
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Thats interesting question. Hope you get more comments.
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Should be able to tell you tomorrow when the brown truck gets here !! Big Grin

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Is the glass on the 3200 different than the 4500 and 6500?

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3200 glass is not the same as the 4200/6500
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I think I'd go with the Zeiss.  The conquest line of scopes is the best value going IMO. 
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The 6500's may have the same glass as 4200's but the ones I've compared, the 6500 looked a little better.  There are other factors besides glass alone that contribute to optical performance.  I own a Conquest in 4.5-44 and I love it.  But I'm not sure it's better than the 6500's I've shot with.  Both scopes are amazing optically.  Razor sharp contrast IMO.
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coatings on the 6500 may be different
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Originally posted by pyro6999 pyro6999 wrote:

coatings on the 6500 may be different
 
Good point.  They are impressive!  If I needed another 30mm right now it'd be on top of my list.
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the 6500 also has 80moa of adjustment where the 4200 only has 50moa
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Originally posted by pyro6999 pyro6999 wrote:

the 6500 also has 80moa of adjustment where the 4200 only has 50moa
 
I wish the 4200 in 6-24x40 I'm looking at had 50moa.  Can you believe a measely 26moa.  That's my hangup.   Leaning toward the 6-24 Monarch instead mainly because of that.
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I think the best scope in the 6500 line is going to be the 1.25-8x32.   I'm gonna have to get one of those.
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The one I used was not as clear & bright as my Conquest but the glass seemed like a 4200 .I like the higher magnification but the extra cost I would buy the Sightron S3. 
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Wait for the CONQUEST it's worth it...
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Originally posted by medic52 medic52 wrote:

Wait for the CONQUEST it's worth it...
 
 
I probably will Bucky
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Originally posted by cbm cbm wrote:

Should be able to tell you tomorrow when the brown truck gets here !! Big Grin

 
 
 
please keep us posted
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Just got it from SWFA and mounted it on my .22 mag ! So far.......size is nice , like the turrets a lot, very clear in broad daylight , like the mil-dot(never had one), and it has tons of eye relief. Don't like how silvery the reticule is in bright light !! I'd say the Conquest has the reticule advantage for sure............will test more tonight !



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conquest vs. 6500

No contest, conquest all the way!

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I love COnquest 44 diameter

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 If image quality is the only consideration then the Conquest should win by a tad.  But the Bushnell 6500 has other outstanding features besides it's 6.5x erector tube.  Being a 30mm main tube scope with such a large magnification range it is remarkably compact at 13.5" and 17 oz.  Keeping a constant 3.9" eye relief, it still has a 41 ft field of view @ 100 yards on low power.  It also seems to have an easier eye relief than most rifle scopes in that I don't have to keep my head completely still to bring in a good sight picture.  Lastly the turret knobs are firm and dependable and I love the return to zero feature.
 
If this scope was only about magnification range I would tell you to save your money.  However this time I think Bushnell outdid itself.  I think the problem is that most folks just are not accustomed to paying over $500 for a Bushnell when you can almost buy a Zeiss for that.  That may be true but if more than just pure image quality is appealing to you in a hunting rifle scope then the Bushnell 6500 is worth your attention. 
 
This assessment in no way diminishes the value and quality of the Conquest.  I have not personally met one unhappy owner of the scope and probably never will.
 
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Well...........I am pretty suprised ! I am just a hunter/layman ...........I don't really know much about optics but how they relate to hunting. I really can't appreciate the finer qualities of reading license plates at 300 yrds at dark !
 
So I will give you my layman's perspective of judging my Conquest 4.5-14x44 ZRF to my new 6500 2-16X42 md . These are totally different reticules .........as the ZRF has 2 fat posts and 2 fine posts and the mil-dot is a typical mil-dot I suppose.
 
In broad daylight they are about the same. The Conquest has a better reticule that stays black mostly and the 6500 has a reticule that turns silvery very easy in bright light. Beyond that..........I can't really tell you anything about how one is any better than the other !
 
I "just" quit comparing them at dark . It is really to close to tell. I personally could not kill a deer any easier with one or the other..........both peetered out on me about 7:00pm eastern.
 
I am shocked at how well the 6500 holds up to the Conquest in low light and it has more forgiving eye position.
 
The Conquest had a better fov at most power ranges. I am not up to speed on what each is supposed to do...........but I thought the bushnell was supposed to have a wider fov than most in this class , but the conquest is a little better. And it has the better reticule.
 
For me right now..........and if money were a big object. The bushnell is cheaper by a fair amount with the mil-dot compared to the conquest with a mil-dot. The bushnell has more power range. But the Bushnell does not have as good of a reticule and loses a little fov from what I observed. It would mostly come down to me on whether saving $200 bucks or so was worth putting up with a silvery reticule in bright light !!
 
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Yeah, I dont care for the reticle turning silvery and almost transparent at times either. I like a slightly heavier plex reticle for hunting all around. I have found that the Bushnell Firefly reticle is a better reticle. The Firefly is too thick, it needs to be a little thinner. Actually if Bushnell would make the reticle without the last step up in thickness at the outer edges it would be perfect. I have found that the luminecent coating on the wire reticle makes the reticle stay black and not silverish in bright light and it stays as dark if not darker than the Conquest in low light and really stands out. I guess I would really like Bushnell to make a heavy plex like about like the Conquest reticle and either coat it like the Firefly or just go ahead and put in an etched reticle. I also wish they would make a fixed 4x32 or 4x40 4200 Elite model with a heavy plex. I would definately buy one of those.
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