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I've narrowed my choices to a conquest or team primos in 3-9x40 for a savage 116 .270.Primary use would be for, but not limited to white tail deer hunting. I've done some searches for comparisons of the two but can't find much. Is it similar to the current monarch series? Low light is a concern. Are there other issues that would favor one of the other? It's hard to beat the price of the primos. Best I could find on the conquest is $400.
On a side note, how would these compare to the buckmaster?

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they are both better than a buckmaster, the conquest is better optically, not by a ton mind you. have you considered the bushnell 4200 elite??
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Originally posted by pyro6999 pyro6999 wrote:

they are both better than a buckmaster, the conquest is better optically, not by a ton mind you. have you considered the bushnell 4200 elite??
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I have, but don't see any advantages. Only negative to the bushnell would be warranty only to original owner.

Biggest issue I have going with conquest, is justifying the ~ $200 higher price. Any other opinions on this?
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I'll take the Conquest over the  Monarch and also the 4200 3x9.  I love the plex reticle in the Zeiss and I think the glass is better than the two in question.  The conquest also has very good eye relief.
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My conquest is a bit more clear than my team primos, but I've been really happy with the primos.  It's what I've got on my 270.



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Originally posted by lucytuma lucytuma wrote:

I'll take the Conquest over the  Monarch and also the 4200 3x9.  I love the plex reticle in the Zeiss and I think the glass is better than the two in question.  The conquest also has very good eye relief.
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I have had a couple of Monarchs (basically a primos), several Conquests, and just got two 4200's w/firefly reticles. I like the Conquests the best but I think the 4200 is a better deal(especially considering the rainguard) . Just as bright and useful for deer hunting. I think the Conquest is a little clearer in low light but not any brighter and the Conquest has better eye relief.
 
The Monarch's are bright but a little grainey at dark and the plex reticles are thin and hard to see at last light !
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Originally posted by mchef mchef wrote:

I have, but don't see any advantages. Only negative to the bushnell would be warranty only to original owner.

Biggest issue I have going with conquest, is justifying the ~ $200 higher price. Any other opinions on this?

im telling you for the money you wont get a better scope than the 4200, rainguard is worth it.the 4200 is recoil tested to .375H&H recoil levels, i know my 4200 held up just fine on my .375H&H just fine. if you dont want to spend the extra money on the conquest i would really consider the 4200
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I have a Conquest 3-9X40 and a 4200 3-9X40 and I'd take the Conquest all the time every time.... no comparison for me!  I also have an older Buckmaster (before latest update) and it's not even a fair comparison.  I have not looked thru a Primos and wet weather hasn't been an issue where I hunt.  Not a fan of the BDC - too busy for my taste.

Only you can decide if the $200 extra is worth it - it is for me.
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Yeah, I tend to agree, I have the Conquest, a couple of buckmasters and have had a 4200 and a Monarch in the past and to my eye there just isn't a close comparison, the Conquest any day.  I've not compared it to the Primos but besides, the optics there's the reticle and the constant eye relief on the Zeiss.  One thing to look at though is size, the Conquest is longer than a lot of 3x9's and may not "fit" well on your rifle.
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Thanks for all the feedback so far. Just a few corrections and additional info.
1. Warranty on Bushnell elite is lifetime of scope, any owner.  Apparently it's only found in the manual for the scope. I had only looked under the warranty section of their website.

I don't anticipate much issue with rain. I am new to hunting, but do have a friend/mentor with 20+ years experience. Hunting would mostly be in the central NC area. I do not have easy access to any of the scopes in question and would be purchasing sight unseen.

Price wise we have:
Zeiss Conquest          $400
Bushnell Elite 4200    $300
Nikon Team Primos   $200

So, I'm still having trouble deciding as I have a tendency to over analyze. Conquest seems to be the winner so far, but I'm having trouble justifying the price vs that extra performance. Does the conquest perform that much better? I could say that a $200 price tag on missing an opportunity to take a shot would be very upsetting, but is that being realistic? Also where does the Nikon fit in?


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you get the same deal here on the bushnell scope too.

oh and you might wanna read this too
http://www.opticstalk.com/forum_posts.asp?TID=5473



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I'm thinking you'd be happy with any of the three especially if it is your first setup, which sounds like it might be.  I will say though, once you get a view through the conquest you won't find much better until you spend much more, in my opinion.  Maybe the size/weight would concern some but I say just start with the Conquest and be done with it.  Rainguard is cool, but just buy yourself some butler creek lens covers...

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if you can afford to spend the money buy the zeiss, if your on a tight budget buy the 4200, you wont notice much difference between them until last light, the thicker reticle of the zeiss is really nice then.

if zeiss would ever decide to put loutec ( zeiss version of rainguard) on the conquest i would pay $500 for their scope and not look back.
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I agree with Pyro across the board on that one.
 
Scopes can be hard to justify. I have had a lot from expensive to cheap and I can tell you it get's to where ..........a Conquest is not much worse than a Diavari, 4200 is not much worse than a Conquest, a Monarch is not much worse than a 4200, and so on and so on.......until you end up looking  through a Nikon Prostaff at dark and a Diavari .............then have to start your thinking all back over again !!
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I edited your post, my friend. Please don't plug other optics vendors here, as stated in the forum rules.
 
Welcome to Optics Talk. Glad your here.
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Don't get us wrong, the Primos is a very decent scope with a great price, but when compared to the 4200 and Conquest, its out classed.  In truth, if you like the nikon, the bdc and it fits your budget, go for it.  No shame in owning this scope.
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Originally posted by lucytuma lucytuma wrote:

Don't get us wrong, the Primos is a very decent scope with a great price, but when compared to the 4200 and Conquest, its out classed.  In truth, if you like the nikon, the bdc and it fits your budget, go for it.  No shame in owning this scope.
 
Good post! I concur.  
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Honestly, all three of these scopes (Primos, 4200 and Conquest) are very good for the money.

As it usually is, in the end it comes down to how much you are willing/able to spend.  If you can spend $400, just go ahead and get a Conquest.  Whether, it is sufficiently better to justify the price difference is a personal choice, but I think you will be happy with it.

A little while back I put together some overall recommendation in different price ranges.  My overall picks for under $400 are here, and under $300 -  here.

Perhaps, you can find these useful.

ILya
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One way to look at the $200 difference is to consider how long you are going to have this set up..... if it's just a temporary thing, then get the Primos for sure.  If this is something you think you're gonna keep forever, in 10 yrs you'll wonder what the fuss over $200 was for!

If spending the extra $200 is keeping you from paying on something important.... i.e. rent, car payment, food, utilities - again, get the Primos and you won't be disappointed.  If you have the money - Conquest!  Hope this helps.


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I have the primos ... Excellent scope ... If you don't like the bdc IGNORE it... Its not intrusive at all...
The Conquest is amazing .. Definately a step up... The only thing bad was that stupid blue logo.... If it was black woulda bought a zeiss instead of Leupold vx3. ... (For my pretty gun)
I found the Conquest for 369 free shipping.... So great deal... Won't post competitors info tho
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