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I am trying to decide on a scope for a new Thomson Center Icon .308 and have realized that there are entirely too many choices.  It is impossible to try all of them and in my area, even to see all of them.  I will use the rifle for medium range paper (<300 yds), hogs and coyotes.  Hogs and coyotes would be in low light environment.  My maximum budget is around $700.

I have narrowed my search to the following, but being an optics neophyte, I don't want to make a mistake.

Bushnell Elite 6500 2.5-16x 50mm

Sightron II Big Sky 4.5-14x x 50mm

Trijicon Accupoint 3-9x 40mm

I would welcome any comments on the above choices or possible alternatives. and also suggestions on reticle choices.

Any help will be appreciated.
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I would go with the Bushnell myself.  But the Trijicon is probably the best for low light.
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have you thought about looking at zeiss??
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Originally posted by 12mini 12mini wrote:

I am trying to decide on a scope for a new Thomson Center Icon .308 and have realized that there are entirely too many choices.  It is impossible to try all of them and in my area, even to see all of them.  ...

This problem faces us in most areas of our life.

For optics, I'd recommend the concept of "good enough".  You'll never find agreement on what the "best" is, and even if you found it / could afford it / bought it, there'd still be someone out there to shoot-down your choice.

If you look through whatever scopes you can find locally, you can see what your eyes like best, and why:  what attracts you to that scope.  Then you can post those attributes here, & get some more suggestions.

FWIW, I don't see a "loser" anywhere in the scopes you've mentioned.

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Shooting under 300 yards you really don't need much magnification. And that goes hand in hand with your requirement for low-light shooting: A scope that tops out at 9-10X with an objective larger than 40 mm will serve your needs well. For example, the Vortex Viper 3.5-10X50 would allow you to go up to 7X and still have the maximum exit pupil (i.e. light transmission) that the human eye can use (and that's for person in their early 20s). In most low-light conditions, I wouldn't consider taking a shot over 200 yards and that is both enough magnification and light transmission to see the target well.

Also, the bigger the magnification the longer and heavier the scope in general.
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If you can up your price a little the Trijicon 2.5-10x56 Accu-Point would be great for the low light and your needs.  Its not much more and you can choice a variety of reticels and colors they offer.

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This is what I would buy. I've got one and it has been very good in low light.
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I own the 3.5x10x44 Zeiss above and its a great scope. The Trijicon that SVT suggested Ive looked at and its really nice as well, a 3x9x40 would be all you need.  Any of the ones mentioned would be fine, like the Vortex Jon suggests......
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Originally posted by Folically Challenged Folically Challenged wrote:


You'll never find agreement on what the "best" is, and even if you found it / could afford it / bought it, there'd still be someone out there to shoot-down your choice.


Absolutely true!  There is no such thing as "best" anything, because there are too many different application variables, and different people see things differently and like different features of different products.

Since the OP mentioned low light use, the Trijicon will provide the best reticle visibility.  You can't beat a good illuminated reticle for low light use, and the Accupoints are some of the best low light scopes you can get for the money.  I would choose the Accupoint among the choices listed, but any of the scopes mentioned are good.  A Zeiss Conquest 3.5-10X50 (or, depending on your setup, maybe the 3.5-10X44) with #4 reticle would be my first choice among non-illuminated scopes under $800 intended for low light use.
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Originally posted by Lawnfella Lawnfella wrote:

This is what I would buy. I've got one and it has been very good in low light.


I agree.  That scope is hard to beat for $700.  I forgot the OP's budget limit when I recommended the 50mm version of that scope.

By, the way, welcome to OT, 12mini!  I hope you enjoy your stay and gain a lot of helpful information from the folks here.


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You cant go wrong with either the Zeiss or the Trijicon.  I will say that I much prefer the 2.5-10x56 over the 3-9x40 Trijicon.   I also dont see a real advantage loosing .5 on the low end to gain 1 on the high end and with zeiss would go either 3-9x40 or jump to the
4.5-14x44  The do make some wiht the Z reticles which might be really useful if you hunt from a fixed position. A Z600 reticle might be just the thing but if you stalk game the Trijicon is the cats meow and 2.5 on the low end is really nice.   Sometimes you can find a used one on Samplelist.
Zeiss 3-9x40 Conquest Rifle Scope Rapid Z 600 Zeiss 3-9x40 Conquest Rifle Scope
Stock # - 5214609971
  • Matte
  • Rapid Z 600
  • 1"
  • Etched Glass
  • 2nd Plane
$574.95
Add Zeiss 3-9x40 Conquest Rifle Scope to Cart 
Trijicon 2.5-10x56 Accu-Point 30mm Rifle Scope Mil-Dot Crosshair w/ Green Dot Trijicon 2.5-10x56 Accu-Point 30mm Rifle Scope
Stock # - TR222G
  • Matte
  • Mil-Dot Crosshair w/ Green Dot
  • 30mm
$819.95 
Add Trijicon 2.5-10x56 Accu-Point 30mm Rifle Scope to Cart 
You can run a balistic chart in mils and  use the mildots for known distance hold over.

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I highly recommend the Trijicons as well, but the OP's $700 budget limit rules out the 2.5-10X56.  The 3-9X40 is barely under $700, though.    Also, he said he was interested in good low light performance, which is why I felt the #4 reticle was a better choice than one of the Rapid Z reticles.  The #4 would have better visibility in low light.
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OK I was thinking "around $700." might be able to stretch to the $819.95  range given the right incentive.
 
There are some good reasons to select the #4 as well however one should consider both choices the Z600 and the #4 and select based on style of hunting.  I just think its a shame to spend what a Zeiss costs and not get one of the Z reticles since they dont rape you on the difference like Leupold does.
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