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I have a new Springfield 1911a .45 ss and i've had problems with the accuracy from day one,so today i buy a Kimber .22 Target conversion kit.  It fits perfect and shoots like a freaking dream ,i'm hitting the targets 95% of the time but with the .45 its more like 20% and it always shoots low,always, even off a sand bag(not so bad tho).I've tried all kinds of ammo with pretty much the same result.

So my hybrid Kimber/Spring is great but the 100% Springfield is poor.
Should i send it back to springfield ?
 
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How low?

My guess is that your Springfield has fixed sites, or sites that are adjustable only by drifting the rear site.

You have several options, chief among them would be to send the slide to Wilson Combat or Novak's for the installation of serviceable sites.

Does the pistol group?  If so, the sites can be fixed and it should be a keeper (assuming, of course, 100% reliability, which should be a "given" in any pistol.


POI issues can be resolved.  Don't give up on ol' girl just yet.  How far low at 25 yards?
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It has fixed sights, the conversion .22 has adjustable.
At 25 yards with a 6 inch round target i'm lucky to hit it let alone get a group,it's shooting around 4 inch low to the centre of the target is my best guess,the .22 conversion will hit it all day long no problems.
 
I was thinking i was doing something wrong while shooting it until today.
I began to hate the gun until i did his Kimber conversion,in it's .22 format i love it.
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I can go over a dozen differant things with you and the 1911.  IF it rattles then it could be the gun.  If it doesn't rattle, but the front bushing is sloppy then it might be the gun.  IF the slide is loose and the barrel is loose it still might be the gun.  IF the thing is just shooting low as much as  6" at 25 yards, but in a tight group it might be the gun.  That one is 50/50 you or the gun, the same holds for any other point of aim issue.  The thing should shoot point of aim at 50 feet or 15 meteres, in a 8cm group standing on your head with a prod up your arse with the Sir Boy George singers in concert behind you in a drunken coral fest of Monty Python songs to a techno beat.  
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Originally posted by silver silver wrote:

I can go over a dozen differant things with you and the 1911.  IF it rattles then it could be the gun.  If it doesn't rattle, but the front bushing is sloppy then it might be the gun.  IF the slide is loose and the barrel is loose it still might be the gun.  IF the thing is just shooting low as much as  6" at 25 yards, but in a tight group it might be the gun.  That one is 50/50 you or the gun, the same holds for any other point of aim issue.  The thing should shoot point of aim at 50 feet or 15 meteres, in a 8cm group standing on your head with a prod up your arse with the Sir Boy George singers in concert behind you in a drunken coral fest of Monty Python songs to a techno beat.  
 
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All i can find is the slide has sidewards movement the rest is tight.
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What a can of worms this could be.  Interesting.  A better description of what the pistol is shooting like would give a better idea of what is wrong, as the other guys have said and that could be one heck of a lot of things.  But, Springfield should handle the issue.  My milspec Springfield groups very well with the fixed sights and thus far has never had a failure to fire or eject with ball or hollow point ammo.  I could not ask more for a 479 dollar 1911.

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It certainly cant hurt to take it back where you bought it and tell them your issue and ask them to send it back.  All too often the problem is not the gun it is the shooter especially with hand guns.  Most good gunsmiths could put better sights on it. The question to me is first is it reliable - does it go  bang every time, if it does an issue with sights can be corrected. Bear in mind you did not buy a target model if you got one with basic fixed sights. There are many well made more expensive 1911 guns out there and you may want to trade toward a different gun. If you like the kimber conversion you may like a Kimber 1911.  I  have a kimber  SIS that I am quite happy with I prefer the series 70 style guns that are easier to take apart. The stainless Taurus seems to offer a lot of custom features at a low cost.   Want the best buy a Wilson combat.

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Joe,
 
Is this the only 1911 you have problems with? Do you do ok with somebody elses .45?
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Originally posted by silver silver wrote:

Joe,
 
Is this the only 1911 you have problems with? Do you do ok with somebody elses .45?
That's a good point, a range member gave me his really old 1911 to try and it hit the target 7 times out of 7 with fixed sights also.
 
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The next question is do other people shoot it ok?
 
Do you have somebody that is GOOD with 1911's and specializes in them with a couple hours drive of you?  I mean an APG guild member or Handgunner 100 member if you can find one. 
 
Some basic things are what # spring are you running and when was it last new?  What load are you running?
 
 Then, what about the extractor, will it hold a round? Does it have a slight curve (it should) or is it straight? Is the firing pin stop fitting well?  Those things affect feeding and reliablity.
 
Don't let the fixed sight thing throw you.  Most 1911 have fixed sights and shoot very close to point of aim at 50'.  They will be low at 25 yards.
 
You may well have some fit issues with the gun.  I would guess that you may also have some training issues. Without seeing both of you working it is hard to tell.  Most people either undermuscle or over muscle the gun. I'm guessing under because you get great results from the conversion. It take just abit more muscle to show the .45 who is boss, they like to torque around in the hand.  The shorter versions even more so.
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Good recommendations guys.  You gotta love those 1911s.
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Well someone else shot the gun last night and didn't fair any better than i did, so it's being sent back to springfeild.
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Originally posted by Average Joe Average Joe wrote:

Well someone else shot the gun last night and didn't fair any better than i did, so it's being sent back to springfeild.
 
And Springfield is gonna due what? Get the slide fit, barrel and bushing fit by a pro and get the action slicked up.  That will get you a nice club level gun. Wink
 
 
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Originally posted by silver silver wrote:

Originally posted by Average Joe Average Joe wrote:

Well someone else shot the gun last night and didn't fair any better than i did, so it's being sent back to springfeild.
 
And Springfield is gonna due what? Get the slide fit, barrel and bushing fit by a pro and get the action slicked up.  That will get you a nice club level gun. Wink
 
 
I could hope for that!
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I have a friend (ex-Army Colonel) , who builds .45s for relaxation has about 20 of them. Beautiful weapons only shoots two of them.  Makes me want to cry for the others, the two he shoots are flat out shooters even at fifty yards. 
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