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mike650
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Great movie!!! |
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cheaptrick
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GREAT movie, indeed! Those OD green fatigues bring back a lot of memories...
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If at first you don't secede...try..try again.
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Sparky
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Very well said
cheaptrick! I could not agree with you more.
And I know about the would be pistoleers running around. They scare me enough that I generally do not shoot when they are shooting. They are just an accident waiting to happen. |
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cheaptrick
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Sparky, I didn't begin to even mention the "AR/AK crowd"..... I wanted to pimp slap these dudes the other day that were shooting off their Saiga AK's next to me at the range. They blew about 2000 rounds showing each other how best to bump fire.....
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trigger29
Optics Master Extraordinaire X = 180 Y = 90 (X+Pyro)+(Y-Pyro) = ? Joined: September/29/2007 Location: South Dakota Status: Offline Points: 4353 |
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This happened near Tip's neck of the woods, he may even be familiar with the area. I sure hope he carries.....
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"A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed." |
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Tip69
Optics Master Extraordinaire Tip Stick Joined: September/27/2005 Location: Nebraska Status: Offline Points: 4155 |
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You should have called me........ I'm in the book! Note to all, don't pull into "alleys" in Omaha..... those are pretty much sh*t neighborhoods!!! If you find yourself in a neighborhood after dark that has alleys, call me and I'll walk you thru getting out of there. This would include the area around the Zoo and the CenturyLink/College World Series park/Airport.
Glad it worked out for you Jason... that could have been really bad. |
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take em!
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trigger29
Optics Master Extraordinaire X = 180 Y = 90 (X+Pyro)+(Y-Pyro) = ? Joined: September/29/2007 Location: South Dakota Status: Offline Points: 4353 |
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I found out real quick how it could turn bad in a hurry. Was more in the north Omaha area. I won't make that mistake again.
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"A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed." |
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scarface_usmc
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Nobody will truly ever understand how "speed of light" fast the situation can go from completely safe to death, until they experience it personelly. That being said. I believe regardless of weapon, weapon location, holster. When it happens it happens, and no amount of training could ever prepare you for the next few seconds. But the repetition and Muscle memory could mean the difference between life and death, not just for you. But the ones you hold so dear also. The countless hours I have spent Drawing, aiming, and dry firing from different positions Sitting, standing, leaning have IMO givin me the ability to in the moment ACT and not think. "PLOP" their thats me hopping off my soap box! As for the choice of weapon, having had my sidearm fail me when I needed it most(not going to name the brand)!! I will no longer trust my life to a semi-auto say what you will thats just me. I carry a Taurus .357. Very easy to draw, point, and click and when you pull the trigger it goes boom EVERYTIME!!
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"keep your booger hook off the bang switch!"
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tahqua
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Depending on season, G19 or G20, IWB. Wheel guns have no exposed hammers. Mine are Colts.
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Doug
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Longhunter
Optics Journeyman Joined: February/02/2006 Status: Offline Points: 466 |
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"Carry" is the first operative word here. If you don't carry it ALL the time, it doesn't matter what you like or recommend.
Different folks carry in different clothes and different situations. Pocket carry works best with a small, flat, lightweight gun, unless you're in work clothes or uniform. Once you go to waistband carry, a large caliber pistol or revolver is just as easy to carry as a small one.
I carry a Kel-Tek .32 loaded with Winchester Silvertips ALL the time. It's small enough that I'm not even aware it's there...unless it's needed.
I add a Glock 23, S&W .357, or S&W .44 Mag when traveling, heading into the woods, or going to (or through) a possible trouble spot or situation.
One or two experiences do not make an expert. Mind-set and training are everything. Know your gun, practice with it, keep it clean with fresh ammunition, and be mentally prepared to do what you need to do with the weapon at hand.
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Bitterroot Bulls
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Anything is better than nothing. I carry a G23 concealed. It is a fine weapon and has never, I mean NEVER, failed to go bang, in thousands of rounds. Reliability is requirement #1. Drawing a sidearm in a high stress situation goes to gross motor and muscle memory. Choosing the flavor of the week weapon is not the best idea in these situations. Train with one weapon system, carry the same, and put its operation in muscle memory.
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-Matt
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gulf1263
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Be aware that the bad guy's are sociopath's, they practice (yes it's true) and many are even psychopath's using robbery as an excuse to hurt or kill someone.
A series of prison interviews has shown that over 65% of criminals using guns are now beginning to practice..ranges have increased in gunfights and the bad guys are using backup armed with AK's. If a person chooses to open carry that is OK but if things go bad and there happens to be a off duty law enforcement officer (local, state or federal) they are liable to put a few in you just to be safe. Look at all the off duty officers that get tagged every year, even flashing their badges and you will see what I mean. Life is NOT fair..when things go bad you may have good and bad guys shooting at you if you open carry. Any bad guy who wanted to commit violence would simply execute you first and not even have a moment of hesitation..if they plan to kill, you are just a speed bump and have lost the advantage of surprise..these people think nothing about taking out a uniformed police officer by walking up and assassinating them.. then what chance would a civilian have using open carry. You can argue all you want but "Life is NOT fair". Away from civilization it has it's place and is a very good idea. However since the first rule of gunfighting is "having a gun" then it is better than nothing..just don't expect to survive against really bad guys. (some of these turds have seen more actions than our people in Iraq and Afganistan). There have been times when I simply walked out of a stop & rob and called the local police to report bad people ready to do bad things..by the time patrol got there the bad guys had herded everyone in the back and may have been ready to kill them. If I had tried to step in the bad guys back up playing a customer would have taken me out. Be careful out there. Art |
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Good day.
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BeltFed
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I hate knives. A person with a knife is far more dangerous at close range than a person with a gun. Think about it, a knife never jams, never runs out of ammo, and can do more damage to a body than any 45 poking a hole in meat.
There has been more than one incident where the knife weilder won the fight (if there was a fight) over a person with a gun. If a person has a knife in hand and is within 21 feet of a person with a gun in a holster, the odds are in the favor of the knife holder. The reactionary gap, to percieve the threat, formulate a plan, and put it into action is longer than the time it takes for the knife holder, who already has a plan, to close that distance and start cutting.
This isn't some theory I came up with. I have seen it proven many times in many classes, and have seen and read more than one incident, where the person with a gun lost to a person with a knife.
Situational awareness is the key to survival.
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Life's concerns should be about the 120lb pack your trying to get to the top of the mountain, and not the rock in your boot.
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shooter07
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Ah, the ole 21 foot reference. Good call BF, as it's statisically very true.
Also, your last sentence is spot on. Being aware of your surroundings and having a plan before you set foot out the door, is paramount. If you wait to react to a situation, you're likely not going to end up on the winning side. Know the your closest exit, closest place of cover, alternate weapons (ie things that could be used as weapons in lieu of a gun, knife etc). That and practice, A LOT!
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Si Vis Pacem Para Bellum
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Stevey Ducks
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I have 4 hanguns.
For daily, all the time carry, a Ruger LCR .357 loaded with 125gr .38 SP +P loads is the one. No slide, no safety - just pull the trigger For out in the forests or where possible threats may be large animals a Ruger 4 5/8 inch .44 Mag Super Blackhawk loaded with either 250 gr Sierra jacketed target bullets or 270 gr Speer Deep Curl bullets is the one. I also carry bear spray. I have a Kimber 1911 that I open carry at the range but for me it is too big to easily conceal and not as powerful as the .44 Mag. Decades ago, I toted a 1911 around when performing my daily chores in S.E. Asia (cocked & locked). My .22 LR Ruger MKII is fun to shoot. My little dear wife has a 4 inch stainless .357 Taurus tracker. Other thoughts - when I drove a cab I carried an 7 inch U.S. Ontario knife - using a diamond hone a razor edge can easily be put on them. Some time ago (this really happened) a tourist in the Olympic National Park in Washington state was gored to death by a mountain goat - he bled out from a deep stab wound in the thigh. In my local area of N. Idaho there have been several moose attacks. Numerous violent felonies occur on a regular basis within 3 miles of where I live. On occassions I carry a Ruger Mini 14 locked up and concealed in my car trunk. For back east, in various "peoples democratic workers paradise" states when fishing for striped bass I have a large can of pepper spray and a large fillet knife (thats because I only catch big bass) I hate violence and like to peacefully go about my business and when at all possible cheerfully go out of my way to avoid it - my plan.
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SamC
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My personal preference is:
Winter carry http://us.glock.com/products/model/g23
Sam
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BeltFed
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I'd like to see S&W bring back their titanium hammerless J-frame .32 H&R Magnum, and it would be even better in .327 Magnum. It had 6 shots vs. 5 of a .38spl, and the same power as a .38spl. It would make a great pocket carry pistol, especially in a coat or jacket pocket.
I used to live 2 blocks from 2 corners in the city that had more street robberies than any other location in the city. I always thought it would be better to have my hand on my weapon in the front pocket of my coat if approached by a street robber, than to make that overt action for my weapon. A hammerless revolver has nothing to snag or hang up on your clothes, and could be fired multiple times from the pocket. Can't do that with your little .380 auto.
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Life's concerns should be about the 120lb pack your trying to get to the top of the mountain, and not the rock in your boot.
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rocket99
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Glock 19 in a crossbreed all day every day
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smesk403
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everybody's different some prefer teh wheel guns others prefer semis. they all have their features and drawbacks.
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SamC
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What's that old saying "that small gun in your pocket is better than that big gun in your safe".
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