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From what I am reading Radeon R9 does not support beyond 4k.  So makes one wonder if that 5k monitor is even worth the extra cost. 
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I switched to Mac a couple years ago.  All my devices are now seamlessly Apple.  I have Lightroom and Photoshop CC.  I have no desire to go back to the Windows cave with the other Neanderthals.

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I've been with Apple since 1981....no regrets. Just got a new 27" imac with 32g ram and 3TB drive. Now good for another 4-5 years. I live on PC's at work, but when its my money its a mac.

One thing I've learned over the years on either system is to get the highest end maxed out unit available when you pull the trigger. You'll get the most useable life out of the machine that way. I've seen so many buy a lower end machine and two months later they are doing nothing but pi$$ing and moaning about it. The machine this one replaced was 5 years old and still a very usable machine even now....just felt the desire for a new one.

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Yeah well, I just replaced my Iphone 6 Plus for the 3rd time in a year due to glitches. I'm getting tired of rotten Apple's. 
My old Iphone 4 was great. 
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The new iMac comes with the 395 processor… rated pretty high on performance.  However, it can be upgraded to the 395X with 4Gig… 
However, the Mac is not a glorified XBOX like many PC systems…. it is a useful tool that can also be used to play games.  
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Hahaha the young "genius", Carl, at the genius bar that waited on me got an earful today. The 90 day warranty from the LAST bad phone ran out 7 days ago and he said I would have to pay $329.00 to get a replacement. 
I got a hellified chest going on cold, drove 2 hours to get to an Apple store, that's located in a mall...slap full of weirdos walking around and I wasn't having it. 

"So that' where we at...Carl???" I'm 7 days over on a 90 day warranty from the last screw up....and know I'm supposed to get my billfold out??" Right, Carl?!?! 

"Let me talk to the manager", Carl says meekly. 
"You want me to talk to him...Carl"?? 
"No, Sir....I got it.", he said patting me on the back. 

New phone....let's see. 

     
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Originally posted by cheaptrick cheaptrick wrote:

Yeah well, I just replaced my Iphone 6 Plus for the 3rd time in a year due to glitches. I'm getting tired of rotten Apple's. 
My old Iphone 4 was great. 

Wow, bad luck there Mark.

I have been running the 6 plus since they were introduced and I haven't had a single crash.  I have the Verizon version.
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I've never had an iPhone… all my daughters do… I've stayed with Droid.  Daughters have had some problems but mostly due to their inability to hold onto a phone… even iPhones don't do well when they come into direct contact with concrete... from various heights...
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Guys… I'm just bustin' your chops over computers… (because it's so easy…


I DO prefer Macs, I like the way they did the OS, a number of other things… but for many years they have used the same processor… 
I have three Macs… two are 8 years old, still function fine (can't update them anymore, so one is not highly used, but IS still used).  One is a fairly recent purchase and has all the bells and whistles.  It is superb.
Since I bought the two earlier Macs, I've had 4 Dell laptops and two desktops at work… they just have not held up as well.  When they are working, performance-wise there is little difference between the brands.  I also have an Acer mini laptop that I've had since 2010… it is OK, but has always been pretty slow.  
For the graphics I require, Mac is "it".  However, PhotoShop works on both types.  
I do have a lot more problems with PC-type machines than Macs, some of it imposed by DoD.  
I'll never "change" from preferring Mac, unless Apple makes a drastic change in philosophy.  There are some poor, misguided, tortured souls who prefer PC's… may they someday become enlightened...
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Here's my .02
To me PC and MAC are Ford and Chevy.  You will have your die hard fans on either side.  Two similar things that do similar things.  I grew up around PC and I'm comfortable with it and I don't want to learn a new OS structure etc.  My cousin is the opposite.  Apple's the answer - what's the question?

I think the original issue was a computer that won't run the new Lightroom either because of OS or hardware.  Vista does stink and I'm sorry for your misfortune.  Like suggested, try updating: Control Panel\System and Security\Windows Update\check for updates.  If that doesn't solve your problem you can upgrade your OS.  It sounds intimidating but isn't once you get started.  You have two upgrade options.  1:Clean install Windows 10 for ~$120 for home version.  2:Clean install Windows 8.1 ~$100 and upgrade to Win 10 for free.  As for hardware, the cheapest/easiest is to add RAM.  16GB of RAM  cost ~$60.  It is drop dead simple to add.  You will just have to make sure you get the RAM that will work in your computer.  You can go to manufacturers sites like Kingston and the site will help you find the right RAM.  I don't know all the specs of your computer but the processor and hard drive you have are probably just fine.  An upgrade to an SSD hard drive in the future is possible but not necessary.  The video card is probably OK too.  Rendering pictures doesn't require lots of video horsepower.  Rendering video is different. 
For around $200 you can have a heck of a machine. 
If you are set on getting a MAC, then that's your fault. Big GrinCool  I had to throw in a zinger somewhere but seriously they are just fine.  I just think they are overpriced for the hardware you get and what you are paying for is the OS and feeling that it will never die or break. 
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Whichever operating system you use, my advice is to get the largest external hard drive you can afford to store your photos on to keep your computer hard drive lean. Hundreds/ thousands of RAW and high res TIFF and JPEG files can quickly consume hard drive space. I got a 4TB HD that I use solely for photo storage.

As for Mac vs PC, I use both. Both have their pluses and minuses. Yes, Mac is more expensive and less upgradeable. BUT... I will say my experience has been that the Mac OS has been far more trouble-free for me. I've never had any viruses, spyware, etc, and it never crashes, seldom ever freezes up, etc. The display resolution looks nicer too. I'm no computer expert unlike a few of our OT brethren here, so take my advice for what it's worth. I just like my stuff to run hassle free. I get that with our 3 Macs, but have never had close to that with any PC I've ever had, whether at home or at work.

As for Lightroom, I've never found the program itself to be very taxing of system resources, but large file size photo storage is the issue.
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I was sorta misleading on the hard drive suggestion.  SSD's are too expensive for mass storage.  Regular drives are more economical.  I use a relatively small SSD (128, 256GB) OS drive.  It will boot the machine and have all the programs on it like Lightroom etc.  I have a separate server that has 4TB of storage in a RAID10. Not everyone needs a separate server computer.  Like Ted said the biggest external drive you can afford is all you need.  I'm big on securing my data that's why I have a separate computer that handles the RAID.  There are external hard drive type RAID boxes like the Drobo.  I also use Carbonite to back up my data. 
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I have a 256GB Surface Pro 3 and really like it.  I also have a 1TB external hard drive I use for my personal stuff.  I understand the new Surface Pro 4s have more RAM and a better graphics processor, but the Surface Pro with Windows 10 is outstanding.  The surface pro 4s may be a good choice because the resolution on the screen is amazing (2736x1824 at 267 PPI) so it may give you some photo-editing advantages, but you'll probably have to sacrifice on the side of processing power and RAM from a true video/photo editing machine.  Good luck, Sky.
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In my experience, External hard drives are much more prone to failure. Partly because they often get moved around and partly because using usb seems to cause more errors on the drives. I have seen 10 times more drive failures using external usb than having an internal sata drive.

They have esata which from my use is very reliable but usb is just a problem waiting to happen. Especially if u are reading and writing alot.

Plus sata is faster and virtually all mothetboards have a few extra sata ports on them.

IMO if u are using a external usb drive to store data u better be backing it up often. Its just a matter of time til u lose it.

I am helping Sky spec one out. We are looking at a 480 gig ssd, 2 tb storage drive and a 3 tb backup drive to backup the other two.
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I have had Dells and Compaqs that were a pain to upgrade just because there wasn't much room left in the case or ports on the motherboard.  Best of luck to you. 

Skylar if your computer case can fit one SSD (OS) and two 3.5" drives (storage), I highly recommend running the two drives in RAID1.  This will help with data retention just in case a drive fails.  The RAID can be run by the motherboard itself. 
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Originally posted by sucker76 sucker76 wrote:



Skylar if your computer case can fit one SSD (OS) and two 3.5" drives (storage), I highly recommend running the two drives in RAID1.  This will help with data retention just in case a drive fails.  The RAID can be run by the motherboard itself. 


Two disk drives?

The one I have now, has one available and there is a dummy door for a second, but I have never installed one.


So I should have two of these?

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Hard drives, its not if they will fail, but WHEN.....

I keep one external hooked up all the time doing regular backups. I usually get about 3 years from them. Mostly use Western Digital. Avoid Seagate drives...

I also keep 3-4 drives in rotation and run a clone to one of them every other month or so. I keep one offsite  at a friends house just in case. A few years ago I had a bad month, lost three drives. One in the machine and two backups. You can't have too many backups.

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Originally posted by Skylar McMahon Skylar McMahon wrote:

Originally posted by sucker76 sucker76 wrote:



Skylar if your computer case can fit one SSD (OS) and two 3.5" drives (storage), I highly recommend running the two drives in RAID1.  This will help with data retention just in case a drive fails.  The RAID can be run by the motherboard itself. 


Two disk drives?

The one I have now, has one available and there is a dummy door for a second, but I have never installed one.


So I should have two of these?



ST said you two were looking at 3 total hard drives.  I assumed 2 internal and 1 external.  Reading your comment says I was wrong and you will have on internal and two external drives.  I may have over-complicated the simple.
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Phil you started to get be backwards there. I was confused.


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My fault.  I didn't have all the info needed.  I assumed - you know what they say...Cencored
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