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Does anyone here actually use the listed loads that are compressed? If so have you had any trouble out of them?
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I have used a few compressed varget loads in 223 with no issues
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ive used them in my .375H&H and both of us are still here. course i only shot them in the cold of winter too.
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most target loads for 308 in the 168 thru 190 range are compressed. no problems, used byalot shooters
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At present I use a separate crimp die. Would I need to adjust my seating die to do the crimp to keep the bullet from moving forward?
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what are you shooting the varget out of??? is it for your savage??
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Yes. The Savage .308. It is a bolt gun so I have room. I just do not know if the compressed powder will make the bullet creep before I get to the crimp die. I do prefer the crimp done on the separate die. It is easier for me to control the crimp.
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i dont crimp anything unless its semi auto. i dont even crimp my .375H&H. i dont think crimping will bother anything, and depending on you seating depth it may not have any bearing on anything at all.
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I used to not crimp and started to check on some things. My groups actually got tighter. Now that is probably attributed to increased pressure, which could be achieved by a little more powder or closser to the lands. Or I just started shooting better.

I was just curious about the compressed load if crimping was more important. With a compressed load, would it make actual bullet seating depth more consistent by the time it is fired and the remaining rounds under recoil in the blind mag. I never noticed consistency issues in my un-crimped that were not compressed. 


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Out of curiosity, are you always loading pretty much at the same time after resizing, e.g. an hour later or two days later? Some shooters have experienced inconsistency among loads that were loaded after different wait times.

I don't crimp any of my .308 bolt loads and load Varget to 45.5 grains, which is pretty close to a compressed load in Lapua brass and using an OAL of 2.81. I haven't had any rounds ever change seating depth in the magazine or otherwise. You might find you get more consistent results with a bushing or collet die since you're not pulling a resizing ball back through the neck (at least if you substitute the smaller decaping pin retainer). To an extent, bushing dies also allow for fine-tuning neck tension based on the size of the bushing you select. Combined with a high quality seater, they make for pretty good results.
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compressed loads show up more in reloading military surplus brass like LC etc. ,where the internal volume  is less than commercial brass. Also the case neck tension is usually higher, unless adjusted by a reloading trick or two. Compressed loads will "settle" just as they do when using a drop tube, when left over time, also settle by placing a finger of the top and gently tapping the corner of the rim on a loading bench. If your not chronographing your load for ES, SD you really have no way of knowing what the inconsistency is. When ignition occurs the bullet is lodged into the lands and for a brief instance comes to a stop, this does almost the same thing as a crimp. If you crimping the event will happen twice. The only caliber/cartridge that I've worked with that outright needed a crimp was the 454 socom. Another way to look at-- if they aren't creeping when you shooting they certainly are not going to move before crimping.

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Mine are compressed also. No problems at all.
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Thanks guys. Looks like I just need to not worry about it and do my normal thing.
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Originally posted by 308 Sav 308 Sav wrote:

Thanks guys. Looks like I just need to not worry about it and do my normal thing.
 
after you load a few check to see if the bullet runs out the next day or so, if the neck is not as tight as it needs to be it CAN happen sometimes but it's not an everyday thing. Just double check to be safe.
 
 
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308, to ease your mind a bit, try loading a round and separate it using your bullet puller. It takes quite a bit of force to unseat the bullet. They are in there pretty tight crimped or not.
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I use a Lee Collet Neck sizer, and they provide very little neck tension. In heavily compressed loads of Retumbo in my .300 Wby, I've found the bullet pushing out sometimes. Since then I've sanded the mandrel in my neck sizer down .002" to provide a little more neck tension. I've not had a problem since.
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