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Hi all! New to this forum, so go easy. I've employed search but there's almost too much data for me to be sure I'm putting things together right, so please bear with me. I've already enjoyed what I've read, and thank everyone for posting so much helpful data.

I have an AR-15 lower w/ an UltraMag .50 BMG upper from Safety Harbor Firearms. Wonderful rifle, and I'm ready to take it from Iron Sights to a scope. However, I've never dealt with scopes on this magnitude in terms of the range I'll try shooting here, and I'm hitting limitations in my understanding and experience. Here's a large (beware) photo of the rail with a scope mounted (Walter's photo at SHF, not mine).

http://www.safetyharborfirearms.com/UltraMag_50/DSC01538.J PG
The first Q is: if I put a Super Sniper 16x42 on here am I going overboard? Here's the problem: my local range will only go out to 350 yards or so, but I hope to get out west with some friends and take advantage of the terrain to take 1,000+ yard shots (someone I know there has promised to show me his techniques for 1.5 mile shots on his rig!). At 16X, am I going to go insane at 100-350 yards? I know the FoV will be small, but I'm not sure if other than that I'll run into issues. If I drop back to a 'sane' 10X, what is a reasonable distance I'll be able to get out to and not go blind (assuming I manage to get to the point it's the extent of the scope, not my fault *laugh*) if I can get some range time out in the wide open?

The second Q is, if I want to take shots out at 1,000+ yards, what do I need to be aware of as far as the rings go? I know I need to make sure I have enough elevation to 'account' for the drop over the distances. I've looked at the online listings for Badger Ordnance rings and I see things like "Max-50 Ultra High". Is that something I should be looking at or am I misunderstanding what I'm needing to do and standard rings are going to work for any sane distance where the ultra highs would ruin my ability to shoot up close somehow?

Any help/advice would be appreciated, and you can't talk down too much to me; there's a lot I don't know, but I'm willing to learn. Also, I'm a geek by trade so throw as much math at me as needed. I'm a lot better at the numbers game than the long distance shooting games at this point!

Thanks!
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Welcome to The OT!!

 

WOW...That's quite a rifle you got there!!

 

Is your question more about which SS to go with?? The 10x or the 16x?

 

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Originally posted by cheaptrick cheaptrick wrote:

Welcome to The OT!!

 

WOW...That's quite a rifle you got there!!

 

Is your question more about which SS to go with?? The 10x or the 16x?

 



That's part of it. I'm pretty sure the 10X will do anything *I'm* going to be capable of for the forseeable future, but if I get the chance to take advantage of the fact that you CAN hit things at 2000 yards with it, the 16X would be a big help. I'm just unsure of if a 16X is simply unusable closer in. I don't think I've ever looked thru a 16X scope at something only 100 yards away before :) Should be a FoV ~7 feet, which shouldn't be *too* bad, I wouldn't think. Since the 16X and 10X SS are the same price, the 16X seems a better idea if I might go long range eventually.

The second part is, I have never had to mount a scope on something for these kinds of elevation drops. IIRC, I'll need something like 85 MOA of drop to get to 1 mile (1760 yards) w/ a standard .50 BMG ball round. Using better ammo gets me a flatter path, but let's assume I'm cheap on my ammo and use surplus ball since even at a mile I'm doing this for fun and not to save (or take) a life, a la military sniping w/ the .50. I *don't* plan to compete in any 1,000 yard matches for money, fame or fortune but hey, if I could get in one with the same rig I use for fun, why not? However, Since I don't have any experience w/ this, I don't know if I should worry about putting a tapered base under the rings to get extra MOA out of the scope for drop until I need to do ultra-long-range shots. If I *don't* do that, what's the real difference for me in using Ultra high, high, or standard rings? Is it just going to be head position up off the scope? If so, what's the best way to figure out which set I need (ie, how do I measure properly)?

Oh! If you have any input on the badger max-50 rings, I'd appreciate it. I think they're the best to go with based on the fact they're made specifically for a .50 BMG's recoil and are nice and fat to get lots of grip on the scope tube evenly, but I'm too new to know if this is really needed. I think it probably is, and I can't go wrong with them, but it's hard to tell marketing data from reality sometimes.

Sorry to answer the Q with more Q's :( Lots of calculating involved in figuring this out *grin*
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Any Super Sniper owners out there willing to let me know what they think of their scopes out from 350-1000 yards and then at 1,000+? Thanks!
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If you are only shooting stationary targets at 300 Yards a 16X is ok. I would prefer at least a 15X or more @ 1000 yards or farther. Even my Unertl 15X seemed like the bare minumum while shooting 1000 yards.
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