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Layman’s comparison of Colt and Smith & Wesson M&P 22lr
Got a good look at the M&P 22lr and compared it to my Colt 22lr that I own. Here is how I see them:

1. Colt is all metal construction, M&P is a LOT of polymer. Yeah, yeah, I have a GLOCK and PS90 so I fully appreciate polymer rifles, but the metal of the Colt is way better than the M&P plastic. The M&P just doesn't feel like an AR with the plastic, doesn't matter if the "weight" is approximately right. Sure, it is only 22lr and technically polymer is strong enough for the frame, but to me this weapon if it is an M4 wannabee, should therefore be metal.  Colt has the advantage here.
 
The Colt 22lr
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2. The M&P has a functional bolt release, the Colt does not. That is just STUPID. Someone at Colt (as their name is on it, manufactured by Walther apparently) needs FIRED for not having a functional bolt release. Dumb, dumb, dumb. M&P has the advantage here.

3. Apparently the M&P trigger area has standard internal trigger area.  The bolt area, like the Colt, is a dedicated design. This is understandable. I don't see much "advantage" in the internal design between Colt and M&P... but perhaps you want someone that is better versed in that sort of thing to provide a comparison based on factual experience. I am not talking some kind of expert "hip shot" assessment that internal components are better in one than the other. "I am an expert in rifles, I spent 15 minutes looking at them in an air-conditioned gun shop, and beyond a shadow of a doubt the better rifle is......" Nah, not an adequate comparison for me. An inspection at a gun shop doesn't cut it. Gather some real data after firing both and report. No difference between them if you ask me for my uninformed opinion, but gather your data and YOU decide.

4. A threaded barrel is a must IMHO. Yeah, yeah, M&P wanted a system that was "sellable" in all markets and all that.. so that is why no threading..... but the lack of a threaded barrel... heck, the absence of a birdcage is just STUPID. Someone needs FIRED for that decision. Also the absence of a gas block or front sight also gives the weapon a "strange" look. Colt has the advantage here.

Lack of threading, birdcage, gas block “look”



5. Two major components on the M&P are strange. The hand guard rail system is proprietary so you can't buy something else... although I am not sure why you would. Also it looks to me that the M&P stock is also fixed, but a few people have told me that you can put any after-market AR15 stock on it you want.  With the Colt you CAN change out the quad-rail or ribbed hand guards to something else. Also on the Colt you must use their "tube" but you can put on a collapsible stock of any kind (Magpul for example) as long as the tube works with the stock. Colt has a very slight advantage here.

Looks like you can forget changing the stock to me, but some owners say you can.  I haven't seen any pictures of an M&P with the stock changed.


And the rails are not removable


6. Pins. I can't believe the guys that whine about "how hard it is to remove the Colt pin". First of all, loosen the bird-cage slightly (as per disassembly instructions) and the pin is easier to remove. Second, a few taps with a hammer on a dowel rod removes the Colt pin. Third, all metal construction of the Colt with a tight fit makes me comfortable. Polymer construction with the M&P with any kind of fit causes me concern on long-term viability of harmonious parts. Again, all metal makes me more comfortable than polymer. Colt has the advantage here.

7. Price. The M&P is about $100 less give or take based on where you buy. M&P has the advantage here.

Soooooo.......

NEITHER of these rifles are the spot-on 22lr wannabe I was looking for. These two companies.... uh, CLOWNS...... should have got together, taken the advantages of each, and made ONE rifle that fits the bill instead of two half-assed 22lr M4 wannabees. Don't get me wrong, I looked at dedicated uppers and drop-in 22lr bolts...... and thus far I am glad I purchased the Colt 22lr.

If someone came up with a functional bolt release for the Colt 22lr.... I would be ecstatic. If they had that I could easily put up with any other faults of the Colt 22lr and it would be an ideal weapon FOR WHAT IT IS, a wannabee 22lr.
 
Here is a photo of the Colt 22lr next to a Colt M4.
 
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Thanks for the write-up, Ick. I have been toying with the idea of one of these, but wanted a good opinion from someone who has handled both. I am also looking at the excellent little GSG-5.
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They seem to be rather an expensive way to shoot squirrels.
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Dang, ICK wants to fire half of the company....he's like the 'soup nazi'.

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Man, that irritates the CRAP out of me.
 
Company #1 makes a great rifle with a NON-FUNCTIONAL bolt release.  Why, in the world, wouldn't you make the gun fully functional?  Ugh, that is so STUPID.  Yeah, lets give the customer a little metal fake paddle, they will really like that!
 
Company #2 makes a great rifle that is fully functional, but they decide to save a few dollars and make the frame PLASTIC.  What other AR-15 or M4 is MADE OF PLASTIC?  NONE that I care to own.  What, did they WANT it to seem like an AIRSOFT gun?  Apparently.
 
You know, 'cause I am in the market for a 22lr rifle that either doesn't function like a real one, or one that doesn't feel like a real one.  No sense in making one that is as close as possible. I mean, who would ever want that?  Not me!!!!!!!
 
Instead of the market getting a great rifle that is all things, we end up with two half-assed products.
 
Why these clowns couldn't GET TOGETHER and have ONE rifle that is adequate is beyond me.
 
Don't get me wrong, I enjoy mine... I just wish both companies did an ADEQUATE job instead of..... well......
 
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Originally posted by Ick Ick wrote:

Man, that irritates the CRAP out of me.
 
Company #1 makes a great rifle with a NON-FUNCTIONAL bolt release.  Why, in the world, wouldn't you make the gun fully functional?  Ugh, that is so STUPID.  Yeah, lets give the customer a little metal fake paddle, they will really like that!
 
Company #2 makes a great rifle that is fully functional, but they decide to save a few dollars and make the frame PLASTIC.  What other AR-15 or M4 is MADE OF PLASTIC.  NONE.  What, did they WANT it to seem like an AIRSOFT gun?  Apparently.
 
You know, 'cause I am in the market for a 22lr rifle that either doesn't function like a real one, or one that doesn't feel like a real one.  No sense in making one that is as close as possible. I mean, who would ever want that?  Not me!!!!!!!
 
Instead of the market getting a great rifle that is all things, we end up with two half-assed products.
 
Why these clowns couldn't GET TOGETHER and have ONE rifle that is adequate is beyond me.
 
Don't get me wrong, I enjoy mine... I just wish both companies did an ADEQUATE job instead of..... well......


Bushmaster makes a plastic AR.  It is called the Carbon 15.  Wink   http://www.bushmaster.com/catalog_carbon15_AZ-C15M4PRE.asp
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Interesting.  I still say that if I am buying a 22lr "replica" of an M4, why in the world would you want it to be something other than a fair represenstaion to a traditional M4 rifle?
 
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I bought the M&P for my wife and daughters to shoot. I like that it is light weight for them. I also have a DPMS Panther 5.56 rifle. It is a great M4 replica, which it is supposed to be. I'm not convinced this 22 had the same intent. Just my $0.02
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I guess of all the tacticool 22's that are new on the market I like the Ruger and the Sig the best but I dont like either well enough to buy one.  I did find a Marlin model 57M  22 mag made 1969 that I think is a dandy rifle. 
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