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You guys are all making excellent arguments for a playoff system like they use in the NCAA Div II football.  It works great for them, and there's never any argument over who is and isn't national championship caliber.  They settle it on the field, as it should be -- AND IS -- in every other sport at every other level. 

Boise State has little to no control over who is on their schedule.  All they can do is beat whatever opponents they play.  The speculation over whether or not they deserve their ranking is precisely why the BCS system sucks.  It's not just them either.  How do we know anyone deserves their current ranking?  There have been and will always be good teams that have a legitimate claim at being among the elite contenders that will never get to prove it under the BCS system.  BCS gives an unfair advantage to teams that start the year out ranked high, before a single game has ever been played.  In many cases, teams that are hot at the end of the season are not the same ones who are ranked highest at the beginning of the season.  I think any system that places so much importance on how teams are ranked before the season even starts is a seriously flawed system.  I would much rather watch more quality games pitting good football teams together rather than sit and wait a month between the end of the season and the start of the bowl games, especially since all but one, maybe 2 bowl games don't matter.  A playoff system provides that.  If teams benefit from weak schedules, that problem is also solved by a playoff system.  No more speculation and arguing over who the best teams really are.  It's settled on the field, and any two teams that make it to the National Championship game have been battle hardened and earned their way into the game, every time, no question.
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Originally posted by RifleDude RifleDude wrote:

You guys are all making excellent arguments for a playoff system like they use in the NCAA Div II football.  It works great for them, and there's never any argument over who is and isn't national championship caliber.  They settle it on the field, as it should be -- AND IS -- in every other sport at every other level. 

Boise State has little to no control over who is on their schedule.  All they can do is beat whatever opponents they play.  The speculation over whether or not they deserve their ranking is precisely why the BCS system sucks.  It's not just them either.  How do we know anyone deserves their current ranking?  There have been and will always be good teams that have a legitimate claim at being among the elite contenders that will never get to prove it under the BCS system.  BCS gives an unfair advantage to teams that start the year out ranked high, before a single game has ever been played.  In many cases, teams that are hot at the end of the season are not the same ones who are ranked highest at the beginning of the season.  I think any system that places so much importance on how teams are ranked before the season even starts is a seriously flawed system.  I would much rather watch more quality games pitting good football teams together rather than sit and wait a month between the end of the season and the start of the bowl games, especially since all but one, maybe 2 bowl games don't matter.  A playoff system provides that.  If teams benefit from weak schedules, that problem is also solved by a playoff system.  No more speculation and arguing over who the best teams really are.  It's settled on the field, and any two teams that make it to the National Championship game have been battle hardened and earned their way into the game, every time, no question.
I'm going to take your argument one step further GET RID OF RANKINGS PERIOD.  Coaches poll is a crock as much as the bcs and as much as the ap.  You want to have ranking, do it based on conferences and build it up to a playoff. 
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Absolutely, at least the preseason rankings.  If rankings are still used, they shouldn't come into play until a few weeks into the season, after everyone has had a chance to evaluate the on-field performance of the teams.  Every year, there are grossly overrated and underrated teams at the beginning of the season.  The preseason ranking therefore penalizes some lower ranked or unranked teams that may be good enough to compete against the elite teams any given year so that they have to destroy everyone they play in order to move up in the polls.  Plus, a lower ranked team has no chance of competing for a national title if they have a loss, whereas teams that are preseason ranked in the top 5 or so teams can and frequently do still compete for a national championship with a loss on their record.  Rankings could still be used as a supplement to the playoff system in order to seed the final "X" number of teams eligible for the playoffs.  That way, teams could be rewarded for more difficult schedules and their regular season records by getting a first round bye and by playing the lower ranked teams first, just like other playoff systems.

I don't see any possible downside to this.  All of the more prominent bowls could still be used, only they would then be part of the playoffs instead of mostly meaningless exhibitions.  Football fans would be happier because every bowl game would be important to the big picture.  More fans would tune in to more games, resulting in more viewership, resulting in more advertising dollars and more exposure to more schools' athletic programs.  All the debates about whether certain teams deserve to be national contenders or not would end, because it would then be "put up or shut up" for all teams.  Teams would play their best football because they would have something to play for.  Teams that finish strong would be rewarded for making significant improvements as the season progresses.  Some of the minor bowl games (i.e. the Papa Johns Pizza Bowl) that very few people tune into could be eliminated.  The only losers in such a system would the the corporate advertisers of the minor bowls.
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I would only disagree with you in one regard Ted.  Boise St. does have plenty of control, they say they'll play anybody anywhere and then make such outrageous demands for money from the school their playing that it's not worth the deal.  They know exactly what their doing, they know they can't take a bunch of teams that will knock their **** in the dirt like almost anybody in the SEC plays week in and week out. They want their cake an eat it too.  We will see what happens.  Personally I don't think the Saints could have won all three games that Bama just played but I'm a little biased so to speak.  Wink  
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Until 2 teams suit up and play each other head to head, that's all speculative.  There's no possible way to know who will win any game.  Upsets happen every week.  That's why the score of each game starts out 0 - 0. 

Schedules are made years in advance.  There's no way to truly know years in advance who will or will not be good.  You only have to look at teams like Miami, Penn State, Florida State, etc. for examples of that.  There's no incentive for one of the elite teams to play a team like Boise St. because there is no upside to doing so if you already have tough conference opponents.  Boise State has no control over who is in their conference.  They can try to move to another conference, but they don't have total say in whether or not they could do so.  Teams in the SEC, for example, always know they will play the majority of their games against conference opponents, so during years when the SEC is tough, that means they have a tougher schedule than most, not by their choosing, but by the makeup of the conference.  Usually, the SEC is a tough conference, but that hasn't always been the case as a whole.  
 
Regardless, whether or not they warrant their current ranking will soon be put to the test, if they make it to one of the top 2 BCS games.  If you recall, the same talk about them not deserving their ranking has been going on for a few years, yet in 2007, they beat #10 Oklahoma in the Fiesta bowl, certainly not a pushover team.  Last year, they beat #4 TCU, also in the Fiesta Bowl.  You might argue that TCU was overrated as well, and that may or may not be so, but it seems to me that's just additional ammunition in favor of the need for a playoff system.


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4 unbeaten teams in the Big 12. "out of the 13 unbeaten teams in Division 1" Yes UCLA spanked Texas, but Oklahoma and Nebraska are both legit top 10 teams. Really not buying into the Big 12 being a weak conference. 


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I think Nebraska will come out on top of the Big 12 conference. Oklahoma barely squeaked by Utah St, Air Force, and Cincinnati who have a combined record of 7-8. 
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Originally posted by Monster Monster wrote:

I think Nebraska will come out on top of the Big 12 conference. Oklahoma barely squeaked by Utah St, Air Force, and Cincinnati who have a combined record of 7-8. 
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Coming from a Sooner fan I would have to agree with you.  What I can't figure out is how they blew away Florida State but barely beat the 3 above.  Now granted everybody has a hard time with Air Forces offense.  Week to week I can't figure out which Sooner team is going to show up.  Maybe their youth on defense is hurting them mentally.  They can't get psych'd for the lowly teams.  Time will tell.  I think OK State will be a tough one as well.


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Yea and the quarterback from Nebraska looks to be candidate for the heisman
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UK finally won a big game. Well, big for them. Our D needs to learn how to tackle though.
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lol Mark!  What a crazy season, Nebraska and Ohio fall in grand fashion.... This is one of the wackiest seasons I can remember.
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I'm ready for the Razorbacks to pull out of the SEC and move to the Big 12. Really feel for the kids who play hard and get HOSED by bad calls. Watch for another token referee suspension.



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Well, what can I say? LSU beat my boys straight up!  But, there is still at least one game left that matters more than the BCS Championship The "Iron Bowl".   Win there, an it's a Good season!  LOL!



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Originally posted by Steelbenz Steelbenz wrote:

Well, what can I say? LSU beat my boys straight up!  But, there is still at least one game left that matters more than the BCS Championship The "Iron Bowl".   Win there, an it's a Good season!  LOL!



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I was at the Big House yesterday for Michigan vs. Illinois. It took three overtimes, 67-65 Michigan. Their basketball teams don't score that much when they play.
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Originally posted by tahqua tahqua wrote:

I was at the Big House yesterday for Michigan vs. Illinois. It took three overtimes, 67-65 Michigan. Their basketball teams don't score that much when they play.
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