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Forget about the light you say? I am not one to give up but it did take a little bit of scratching and doing to make it all fit and it did Yippee
 
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Really on any rifle the back of the scope should be real close to being over top of where the top of your hand fits the grip. (unless the scope has excessive eye relief then it may need to be farther forward than that)  The way you have it now, you will have to hold your head way back to be able to shoot it.  You will have to bend your shoulders and neck back instead of leaning into the rifle.  Standing up will be awkward enough, but sitting, prone ,or bench shooting will be very difficult. 


You can see on these rifles how they are mounted.






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One more question I gotta ask.  How do you plan on turning the light on and off as you are scanning for targets.  It is in a position that cannot be reached by either hand.  For defensive purposes your light should just come on for a few seconds as you scan then it goes off and you move positions.  You need to be able to have quick access to it while still being in position to shoot your rifle.

Down on the handguard makes much more sense.  Or get some kind of  relay push button you can mount on your grip.

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ST you have the coolest toys!
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None of those are mine except that extremely ugly bottom AR.  I just found pics on google images.  
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Since you have the MOE handguard you can purchase a picanny rail for it, mount it on the bottom of the handguard or the side, then mount your light on the handguard where it will be accessible.  Then you can turn the CAA mount around, remount the scope, and have it set-up as Supertool recommends.  The way you have it set up now will severly limit your shooting.  Just a recommendation, if you like the way you have it, carry on.
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Any report from the range yet?  I'm really intersted to see how this thing shoots and holds up.  I was considering purchasing it awhile back to mount on an M1A but was concerned with its durability.  I'm getting itchy to pull the trigger but am also considering the Vortex PST or the SS when it comes out...not sure if I can wait though.

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supertool73, first off thank you for your constructive comments, they are much appreciated. I am sure for battle/SHTF conditions you would be correct but for my own needs the only killing I'll do with this rifle, I hope, will be the pesky coons that harass my barn cat. So, now you know my need for a flashlight and laser both of which can be turned on before I exit the house.

 

as sport, I will also be shooting mostly bench rest at the 150 yard range at my property so I'd rather not have the SIG flashlight/laser under the hand guard because it’ll most likely be in my way. But I will investigate if a MOP side rail exists that’ll provide for a better rifle fit and better control access. BTW I can turn on my flash/strobe light and/or laser, as it's mounted now, with my right hand, without any problem. Again, I am not arguing the validity of your statements it’s just that my own needs are somewhat different than your orthodox ways.

 

JDjesse, I plan to shoot my LMT this weekend so I'll report back on how the CMR fairs. Looking very much forward to ringing it out but I must restate that so far I am positively impressed.

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cpwomack, thank you, I'll investigate.
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Zeroed ar 25 yards and shot 10 rounds later all I can see is one dime size hole, where are the rest of my rounds going?Big SmileBig Smile

So far the scope is flawless but it's hot so when the sun goes down a bit I'll do the 150 yard shoot.
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Foks, since I took the pic I moved the scope as far forward as it'll go and it now fits me to a T but the jury's still out on the Leatherwood scope. I was all over the place with it at 150 yards, due to use of the black dot and probably my eyes. I now know I much prefer crosshairs for accuracy but to be fair I'll give it another more concentrated go today.

One thing I didn't like about it is that even at full setting, at daylight hours the greendot disappears so it's useless with the sun plus the green horseshoe/circle around the dot does not appear to be the same diameter and/or intensity all around which is a bit annoying.
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Friends, yesterday evening I shot a bit more and obviously I am the weak link of this package. One can't do heavy lifting around the property all day long and expect to shoot well in the evening, I guess, but I had to cut/haul off trees and build this feeding platform for my barn cat. It was either that or kill the coon family of 5 that eat all of Nikos' food and leave him starving all week long.

Niko does appear to be happy now, it's amazing what a full belly wil do :lol:

But back to the main point of interest, this 1x4 tactical scope is more than decent for the money and would have no resevations in recommending it as a viable alternative to the high $ tacticals out there. Other than the the green horseshoe non-uniformity and the green dot not showing up, at full sun, all else is spot on! Now lets see how well it holds up.

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I betcha the coons still get to Niko's food.  They are very sneaky and clever.  You should see them work over a deer feeder.  If it was not for trail cam pics I would never believe some of the things they can do.
 
This one is using the pig as a step ladder.
 
This one shimmied up one of the poles and is spinning the dispenser with his hand.
 
 
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I was told that coons can't jump, kinda like white men Big Smile so I built a 5 foot tall tin scirted platform which I figured they would not clear. But don't you believe it non because I have 2 of them on video taking approx, 4 foot leaps from a saw horse to barely hang on to the wooden platform, with their front paws, and then pulling themselves up to dinner. My wife and I sat there in amazement watching it all after the fact. So I removed the saw horse and tested Nikos ability to jump from the ground. I am happy to report that he too is no white man cause he jumps up & down the feeder like he's jumping onto the sidewalk.

But I am amazed that this wild hog would allow such liberties from a coon, goes to show you that teamwork's not reserved for humans alone. I have a pic of what a 223 round will do on a coon but it goes against the rules of this forum so I'll not post it.

 

Now lets talk scope, after this weekend's shoot I removed and properly re-installed the mount/rings & the CMR and am now looking for the appropriate rail to also mount the SIG flashlight/laser device. I also called to further discuss with John at Leatherwood the minor issue of the green semicircle issue and I must say that he is not only extremely polite but he is also one of the most helpful professionals you'd ever want to deal with. Bottom line, this is a very good scope coupled with very good, honest customer service. Chris, I can see why you guys were impressed.

 

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Chris, if we had bet you'd have won. The biggest coon found the way, he climbed the barn post and jumped/dropped onto the platform. Now the post is covered with a metal sheet so unless he knows how to glide he's got his work cut out for him. Truth be told more power to him, I'v grown fond of this critter.
 
Shot the LMT/Leatherwood combo once more today, getting to realy like this rig. And love the way one can zero the knobs after setting the right azimuth/elevation. Simply unscrew/remove the knobs, zero the wheels, and re-install the knobs. Haven't looked into it but can the SS be zeroed this way?
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Yay I am late to another thread... Thank you for the review, I am very interested in that same scope.  Magpul makes rails for the MOE handgaurds in 3 or 4 lengths and at various prices, I have two of the 5" sections on mine (longest available) they were ~$8 per and are solid and made of Polymer.  Not sure if a laser will hold a zero on these, but at short ranges, I imagine you will be close enough to hit a coon. 
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Dang it, I forgot to ask if at 1x you can shoot with both eyes open?
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Thank you for the mounting info GriswoldGuns, I did exactly that a couple f weeks back. Moved the reddot/laser combo scope onto my AR-15 pistol and mounted the laser/flashlight on the magpul hand grip. There's a bit of play on the hand grip but for close distances it makes no difference. I'll shoot it more this weekend at dusk to see how well it functions.
 
 
BTW, the CMR shoots well at 1x with both eyes open! I realy like this scope and for the money I'd jump on it if I were you. I'd buy a second but don't know where I'd mount it as it's pretty much 223/7.62 specific. Thumbs up on this product!!
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Second pic of setup.
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Awsome! thanks.  What mount is the scope sitting in?
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and will it clear a BUIS on the rifle? mine is ~.50 inches in the folded
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I bought one of these several weeks ago and I am really impressed overall.  Taking it out of the box and looking through I was very concerned as the eye box/relief is awefull.  I had considered not attempting to mount it and just send it back.  After mounting it was not really a big of an issue.  The eye relief is fairly short, you have almost no room to move to move left and right, eye can not more forward or backward more than .25" form the ideal spot.  This is even on 1x where on most scopes you can move several inches or more.  After getting it mounted in perfect spot and going from low ready to on target and practicing I could on target about the same as with a red dot sight (which is good news).  The reticle design is perfect.  If your using light during daytime the light is completely washed out in full sun, the black donut is still easy to pick up.  I could see problem if other people need to use the firearm and there stance is different.
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I got my CMR a few weeks ago and it improved my 5 shot groups @ 100 yards from 5.5" using my Bushnell Holosight (which the center dot covered about 3" of the bull’s-eye) to 2" groups (I think the center dot on the CMR only covers about 1" of the bull’s-eye) so it definitely gave me a big improvement. I have a Vortex Crossfire 6-24X50 coming at the end of the month and I hope this tightens my groups up even more at 100 yards and give me more precision at longer distances.

 

I am only used to cheap scopes so I cannot comment on how it compares to more expensive scopes but I was impressed with the clarity, strength and features (ZRO-Lock and laser etched crosshairs). I would think that this scope is a great all-around scope that gives you just what is advertised, a heavy-duty scope for close to medium (200-300 yards) range applications. I have never had a scope with MIL or MOA marks, so I am just learning how to range using these kinds of features and this scope looks to make this transition fun and easy since the ZRO-Lock feature lets you dial in the adjustments, assuming you calculated range and windage correctly. I haven’t had a chance to test this feature yet but I will report back to let you know if it really returns to zero after dialing in an adjustment when I get the chance. Certainly having this ZRO-Lock feature work as advertised should be critical to anyone’s purchasing decision, has anyone given this feature a good test yet?

 

I can’t comment on the battery life yet but it was nice that it came with two batteries, it only takes one, the other was the spare.

 

I paired this CMR with the Burris PEPR and it seems to be a match made in heaven. I think it places the scope a little higher than other one-piece mounts but I think that this is a sacrifice that actually enhances the intended close to medium range purpose for this scope and that is that it helps you maintain a more natural head position when walking around while aiming, you don't have to crook your neck as much when using it this way. For my Vortex I’m ordering another Burris PEPR mount since it is coming with a 1" tube, although I am still debating whether I should get something different to drop the 50mm lens down to about 1/4 inch from the rail since the Burris will put it slightly over 1/2 inch from the rail and on a longer range set-up, what do you guys think? It looks like all offset one-piece mounts put the center of the scope about 1.5 inches above the rail, is this what I want for the 6-24X50mm vortex?

 

My only complaint was when I was trying to figure out the ZRO-Lock feature I took the lock-screws all the way out and popped off the cap and the O-ring that was underneath was broken, and I am pretty sure that it was already broken before I took the cap off because it looked like it had cut marks from when it was initially put on, I don't think taking it off would cause these cuts since the inside of the cap is slick and had no edges to mar the O-ring the way it was. It didn't affect the function at all and I might just go to the hardware store to buy a comparable replacement since it looks like cheap rubber anyway and I don’t want to send it back just to get an O-ring replaced. If they want me to send it in to replace it, I think I will just get my own.

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GriswoldGuns, sorry I missed your question, the scope mount is a CAA.
 
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