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I have a 1949 Winchester M70 Target in 30.06 and have had a lot of fun shooting Highpower, over the
years. However my eyes are turning these matches into seeing contests, not shooting contests.
I have read about and watched F-Class matches and it looks like a lot of fun. I have studied vintage
Shooters Bible articles on period scopes, and the Unertl 14X 1.5 Target, Lyman Super Target Spot in 12X,
or 15X, or Redfield 3200 in 12X, or 16X look like the perfect scopes to mount on my Winchester.
My question is which of these scopes has the best reputation for quality, clarity, longevity as they are all
40 plus years old now. Want to keep my Winchester a period piece as benefits a classy lady such as it is.
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I guess nobody here is old enough to know what these are.
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Welcome to Optics Talk!
I'm sorry you didn't get the response you were looking for, but I hope you'll stay around.
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 Oh, I think there are a few guys around here old enough to remember them!
 The hard part is going to be finding a real good one at a fair price, and then finding correct mounts/bases for it.
 I think the consensus regarding quality is that the best glass of yesteryear is only fair by today's standards.  Optics really have come along way.
 Having said that, you are to be commended for keeping the period theme iintact with that rifle, and if you shop around, you should be able to put together a great rig. Try Ebay and Gunbroker. com.  I wish you the best of luck with this project.
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Why thank you gentlemen
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Ebay usually has a steady flow of the Unertl and with the prices they fetch that should tell the quality. At UT Martin the rifle team had one 32 power that was used to test which rifles shot the best, for selecting which rifles were used for competion and or practice. That was in 1970.
When you say it fast it wasn't so long ago.
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Hello, my name is Hank45 and I am new to this forum and I want to mount my six (6) power Unertal and my twelve (12) power Unertal scopes to the same barrel. My question is what is the precise distance between the bases and can I use both scopes with the same measurement?  Thank you for your answer  Hank45
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I do not understand the question. If you have both scopes measure them. Any spacing along the tube that is clear on both scopes should work. Unless you are trying to mount both scopes at the same time?????

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3-tens, I am sorry that I did make my answer clear what I want to know is what is the center to center measurement of the scope blocks to have the bullet hit the bull is it 7.200 or is it 7.250 inches?  Thanks for your answer  Hank45
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Originally posted by Hank45 Hank45 wrote:

3-tens, I am sorry that I did make my answer clear what I want to know is what is the center to center measurement of the scope blocks to have the bullet hit the bull is it 7.200 or is it 7.250 inches?  Thanks for your answer  Hank45
 
 I do not know the answer, but I will attempt to explain what your question is, to others who may know the answer!
 
With an adjustable- base Target system mounting a fixed-reticle scope, the rear base turret is calibrated to move the tube a certain angular distance per click, 1/4 Moa for example.
 This can work out only if the front and rear bases are the distance apart that the manufacturer designed it to be.
 If your bases are 14 inches apart on the system designed for a 7-inch spacing, you will only get 1/8 MOA movement on the target, instead of the1/4 it was designed to do. Again, this is an (extreme) example for illustrative purposes only.
 
I think this is what you are asking and apologise if not.
You will be able to get a zero regardless. It just may not track at the desired values if the base /ring spacing is significantly altered from designed spacing. The difference between 7 inches and 7.250 inches would be very insignificant, however.
 
 
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Originally posted by lowprone lowprone wrote:

I guess nobody here is old enough to know what these are.


I know these scopes I think the Unertl is the best of the bunch ...next up would be the lyman...then maybe a bushnell balfor/balvor ,,how ever you prefer all of these scopes are available on gun broker or under vintage scopes I believe? good luck and nice rifle and Welcome to the OPTICS TALK.
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 So Looney, am I correct in assuming that they are designed with specific click values, as I posted? Or do they just click randomly for the shooter to figure out the MOA value himself?
 I really haven't used one that I recall, so I am speculating a bit with my previous post.
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In theory yes but these scopes were used on many a different guns I don't think the spacing is all that critical though I could be wrong  the adjustment is up to the user to figure as you posted I do not own one right now but have used them  and shot other guns with them. the new Malcolm scopes for black powder guns use external adjustments as well , so one could look up info on these and go from there. 

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  Thanks.
 I checked Gunbroker-there are quite a few Unertls.  They have a rear base with graduations on both turrets, but no indication of what those graduations represent.
 (Big bucks wanted for one found in an attic in a wooden shipping box and wrapped in newspapers from the 1940'S!)
 It looks almost new...
 
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I don't recall the click value on the mounts but that is what they do as you know,  they don't really click they just turn. and yes if you want one with box and papers you pay $$$$$ 
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3_ten, I spoke to Mr. Parsons at Parson Optical Service about the base spacing on the barrel and he said that the Unertl Target Scope spacing was 7.20 center to center and that the turret clicks were 1/4 MOA at 100 yards. Hank45
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Besure and check that the scope yo select has teh return spring removed.  These scopes have very short eye relief (2"-3").  Removing the return spring allows the rifle to recoil away from the scope and prevent the scope from hitting your eye.  You have to return the scope to battery by hand.  I have an old Winchester 5A scope on a 52 Winchester that is fun to play with.  The Winchester 5A is the predecessor to the Lyman A5 scope.  No problems with recoil on a .22LR.
 
Good luck
 
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I have shot precision rifles for 40+ years and one that has always rose above the others is Unertl. These are the classic target scopes and even today, thay bring $750 and more for a clean one. I have owned 8 or 9 over the years and have never had a single problem. Don't worry about the initial cost, because when you go to sell your Unertl, I'll bet you will sell it for more than you paid. Great classic American scopes. Smile
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Wow, this is some real vintage stuff being discussed. Even an old dog is never to old to learn! Round about the time these scopes were used we all shot iron sights only!
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