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I am going to be modifying some of the stocks on my rifles to save weight. So, I started to disassemble some of my "set ups" and weighing separate components(stock,scope,action,etc.) and, I found my Leupold V-X 3's are just over 1oz lighter(1.023) than the "claimed weight"(a good thing).

Anyone find this to be common one way or another with their scope of choice??     
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I'm kinda glad this has finally been brought out..... I get so pissed when i have to lug around an extra oz or two..... 

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  BTDT,rustic.   Unless the weight of a scope severly alters how you want a rifle to handle (balance) go for the best optics you can afford.
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The Vortex Diamondback I just bought is listed at 14.6 and actually weighs 396 grams, or just under 14 ounces. The two elite 4200 3-9's I have are 406 and 407 grams, or 14.3 oz, but list at 13.
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Originally posted by jason miller jason miller wrote:

The Vortex Diamondback I just bought is listed at 14.6 and actually weighs 396 grams, or just under 14 ounces. The two elite 4200 3-9's I have are 406 and 407 grams, or 14.3 oz, but list at 13.


I know with reviews on mountain bikes, snowmobiles and motorcycles they always have an claimed weight opposed to a "real" weight in their reviews.
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Scopes are precision aiming devices. Some have specific purposes, and are built for those needs. While weight is one of the considerations, it is usually way down the list of requirements. Glass quality, reticle, repeatability, durability, and ease of use usually are the features that are first considered, and which is most important of these.
If weight is your most impotant feature, then may I suggest open sights. They are lighter than the lightest and least durable scope, and far more reliable.
I understand your concern about weight, but f you put weight over durability, then you will wind up with useless excess weight, because your scope won't perform it's primary function as a precision aiming device, because it's broke.
 
My last scope purchase came down to 2 scopes from the same company. Both were heavy scopes; 24 vs 26 oz. I went with the 24 oz. scope, but not because of 2 oz., but because of  magnification range and size, for it's intended purpose. 
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rustic, I also hunt at altitude, in very rough country. I hunt afoot for the most part. But if I ever start bragging about saving a couple of ounces...I figure it might be time to retire to the fish pond. 

 I do most of my hunting with glass. Mostly binos, then the spotter if I need confirmation. I usually "know" the area I am going to hunt, or at least have a buddy that does. IMHO, if you do a lot more scouting and glassing, the ounces become a lot less worrisome.
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Originally posted by billyburl2 billyburl2 wrote:

rustic, I also hunt at altitude, in very rough country. I hunt afoot for the most part. But if I ever start bragging about saving a couple of ounces...I figure it might be time to retire to the fish pond. 

 I do most of my hunting with glass. Mostly binos, then the spotter if I need confirmation. I usually "know" the area I am going to hunt, or at least have a buddy that does. IMHO, if you do a lot more scouting and glassing, the ounces become a lot less worrisome.


I try to "know" the area but, depends on the tags I draw. Sometimes I can't get to the area(Utah, Colorado,etc.) a head of time to scout. Those ozs turn into pounds very quickly above 10,000 feet and after 4 -6 thousand vertical as you know.
I have lost a step or two but am not ready to hang it up just yet. When the time comes that I have to use a stand/blind with cover scent/blocker and the like just to hunt... I just soon quite hunting all together I guess.

EDIT: I am only 43 so, I figure I have 25+ years left of DIY, fair chase, spot&stalk on public land hunting if... I count the ozs right to save my knees.Wink


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Rustic, I'm curious as to how much you weigh?
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Originally posted by 300S&W 300S&W wrote:

 
  BTDT,rustic.   Unless the weight of a scope severly alters how you want a rifle to handle (balance) go for the best optics you can afford.
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Originally posted by trigger29 trigger29 wrote:

Rustic, I'm curious as to how much you weigh?
 
I was gonna go there, but I'm not saying this is your case Rustic.
 
Guys will spend big money to shave a few ounces of their binos, rifles, etc and I agree with watching ounces, BUT it's less expensive to drop 5-10 lbs from your body and better for you. YMMV.
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Originally posted by trigger29 trigger29 wrote:

Rustic, I'm curious as to how much you weigh?


185 - 195 winter-spring

165 - 175 summer-fall
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I was thinking the same, when I struggle to push my wheelchair through the bush. I think I should loose some weight, not my Schmidt and Bender. If I lost 10kg I'd be much better off and my hands would have a much easier time. But heh that's just me its not like I'm trying to say anyone on the forum is overweight.

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Out of all my gear my rifle/shotgun is easily the most awkward object to deal with that is were a scabbard is so nice. So, IMHO it makes the most sense to cut weight where ever you can to make the weight feel more natural.
I also can see weight makes no difference whats so ever from a stand/blind/fourwheeler/etc. I have never hunted from a stand/blind where the weight of the gear means nothing one way or the other.
I am sure if I hunted in different terrain/geography, private land, areas with mostly brush/trees, in groups/non-solo my gear would be altogether different than what I have now. I am not knocking any other type hunting I support almost all types of legal hunting.

My backpack fully loaded everything I need for a three night four day pack-in weighs under 30 pounds but, coming back out of the backcountry with say, a boned out mule deer w/cape I have weighed my before it came in at just under 110 pounds.
Oz counting helps a very much on getting into the back country to be able to put on those extra miles/vertical for a better chance to harvest "that trophy" and just as much to get "that trophy" out of the back country and the lighter gear means more opportunity and less aches and pains holding you back from hiking an extra 1000 vertical to look into the next bowl.
 


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You talk about back country trophies and such. I have hunted back country on foot and horse back. There are indeed nice animals in there and some elk above 10,000 ft, but I Montana most stuff above that is all rock and very rare that you find elk above that. It can happen. I can also tell you that the bigger elk and mulies I have seen are no where near the terrain you talk about. In fact, I can take you to a cabin that sits at just under 3000 ft and the whole country drops away from there, and you have 400 class bulls, and 30" mulies.

If you think that the hunting you do provides the best and biggest, have at it. I can hunt the same stuff and do, but I think there are better areas unless you are going for the challenge or a goat.
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Originally posted by helo18 helo18 wrote:

You talk about back country trophies and such. I have hunted back country on foot and horse back. There are indeed nice animals in there and some elk above 10,000 ft, but I Montana most stuff above that is all rock and very rare that you find elk above that. It can happen. I can also tell you that the bigger elk and mulies I have seen are no where near the terrain you talk about. In fact, I can take you to a cabin that sits at just under 3000 ft and the whole country drops away from there, and you have 400 class bulls, and 30" mulies.

If you think that the hunting you do provides the best and biggest, have at it. I can hunt the same stuff and do, but I think there are better areas unless you are going for the challenge or a goat.


Just doing whatever it takes. I like the "hunt" just as much as the taking of the animal. In Colorado I have seen loads of mulies in those bowls above tree line and the fun is trying to get on them in rough open country with a stalk not waiting for them... to me. Going where ever the animals(goats,deer,elk,moose,etc.) are is challenge I like.
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Originally posted by rustic rustic wrote:

Originally posted by helo18 helo18 wrote:

You talk about back country trophies and such. I have hunted back country on foot and horse back. There are indeed nice animals in there and some elk above 10,000 ft, but I Montana most stuff above that is all rock and very rare that you find elk above that. It can happen. I can also tell you that the bigger elk and mulies I have seen are no where near the terrain you talk about. In fact, I can take you to a cabin that sits at just under 3000 ft and the whole country drops away from there, and you have 400 class bulls, and 30" mulies.

If you think that the hunting you do provides the best and biggest, have at it. I can hunt the same stuff and do, but I think there are better areas unless you are going for the challenge or a goat.


Just doing whatever it takes. I like the "hunt" just as much as the taking of the animal. In Colorado I have seen loads of mulies in those bowls above tree line and the fun is trying to get on them in rough open country with a stalk not waiting for them... to me. Going where ever the animals(goats,deer,elk,moose,etc.) are is challenge I like. The trophy comes in the way of packing something out that is worth packing out.
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Out of all my gear my rifle/shotgun is easily the most awkward object to deal with that is were a scabbard is so nice. So, IMHO it makes the most sense to cut weight where ever you can to make the weight feel more natural.
You know, a sling is a lot lighter than a scabbard, AND can be used to assit in a stable shooting position IF you have a decent stock.
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Originally posted by BeltFed BeltFed wrote:

Out of all my gear my rifle/shotgun is easily the most awkward object to deal with that is were a scabbard is so nice. So, IMHO it makes the most sense to cut weight where ever you can to make the weight feel more natural.
You know, a sling is a lot lighter than a scabbard, AND can be used to assit in a stable shooting position IF you have a decent stock.


This is true. But, I still have to pack everything out too. I think the stock will be fine will find out today.
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