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i am looking to buy an accupoint 1-4x with the german #4 dot. i plan on using the optic a lot for hunting, especially at night. i shoot at night using a using a white LED light. i dont know if i should get the amber or green reticle. i have heard different and yet strong opinions on both. i was wondering if anyone could help me out, that has experience or knowledge on the subject.

i have heard that green is brighter yet, amber might be better for night shooting.
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Get a night vision scope and get the green reticle...
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not interested in night vision.  i want this optic to be a multi purpose scope for day and night.

if i go with Accupoint, i want the german dot, not the triangle(for better accuracy).... im wondering though if different colors look better on different reticles.........and/or do different colors look better with different light.

i am wondering what is the main purpose of choosing a green vs an amber dot.
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Originally posted by skipbo32 skipbo32 wrote:

not interested in night vision.  i want this optic to be a multi purpose scope for day and night.

if i go with Accupoint, i want the german dot, not the triangle(for better accuracy).... im wondering though if different colors look better on different reticles.........and/or do different colors look better with different light.

i am wondering what is the main purpose of choosing a green vs an amber dot.
personal preferance
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green is brightest night (almost to a fault depending on the reticle) and day.
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what do you mean almost to a fault?  i am wondering if green might be too bright when shooting hogs out to 100yds at night.  i dont want too much light coming back at my eye while ranging a target that is dim........right?
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The green reticle was developed to enhance operation with night vision gear.  The amber reticle is salesmanship.  The red reticle is designed to have the least impact on night vision under all lighting conditions...
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kickboxer....

thanks for the input.  would you give more detail to your statement.  you say green is geared toward nightvision...but nightvision is green.......wouldnt you want a reticle to have contrast?  and you say red is the worst choice for night?

here are some comments i have cut and pasted from this forum.  there are bound to more people that think this way:

"Using the scope at night (under dim levels of illumination) will mean that rods, not cones, will be responsible for your vision.  Rods are more sensitive to blue light than cones, and are not sensitive to wavelengths greater than about 640nm, the red portion of the visible spectrum.

 
"For primarily day light use, green usually works best.  For primarily night time use, red is usually the best.
Personally, I find amber the most versatile choice."

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With the reticle your looking at you should be fine but some of the other retciles like with the ACOG line green can be so bright that it can impact your night vision. Been there, done that.

I think what KB is saying is red will have the least impact on your night vision (which doesn't mean it's the worst choice for night use). Red is a very good choice for night use.
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mike....

so you think since the german dot is so small, that i should go with the brightest choice.  that way my dot will be bright in day or night?

i hear a lot of votes for the green, and i may go that route.  i was just curious if there was anyone out there who chooses amber over green and has a reason for it.
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thanks mike,

i am wondering about the comment that amber is "salesmanship".  does anyone else think this?  is amber more of a gimick(ie not really offering something).
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Just wondering if you are intentionally being DENSE...

Red is the color of choice for your eyesight at night... it has virtually no impact on "rod vision"... "night vision" according to the human eye.... in other words you can still see with no impact to your vision when using red lighted reticles.  Actually, a green lighted reticle will show up brighter with night vision... red will wash out.  
If you tend toward being red color blind, the amber reticle may have some utility, and perhaps that is why it was created.  However, for "normal vision" amber has no real utility other than a subjective "like"...
If you like green, by all means that is the best one for you to get.  However, red will keep your innate vision intact under low light conditions much better than green.  

Green Lantern was one of my favorite comic book heroes, though...
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KB....

no it is no intentional, my "noob" status should reveal that i am actually this DENSE.  as you can see i am new to this forum and do not attain the "Jedi Master" rank, oh holy oneWink......haha.

never the less......thank you for taking the time of fleshing out the info on the subject.  very informative and i understand a little better now.

also.... i never read Green Lantern.  i was more of a Marvel guy.  Moon Knight, X-Men, Daredevil ect.

anyway, thanks for the replies.  and another note on the "dense" comment:  i guess some of my questions are rhetorical........im just fishing for different opinions from people with different preferences.  i am leaning towards the green but was wondering if someone prefers the amber (and for what reason).

thanks guys.
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Optics can get expensive so I understand how one would want to make the correct choice the first time around. Your in good hand with the advice from KB. Thunbs Up
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skipbo, my reference was in relation to your comment to this:


 The red reticle is designed to have the least impact on night vision under all lighting conditions...




in my view... the "least impact on night vision" exactly reflects your quote.  However, I disagree with the 
comments on green.  But that is a personal thing, to a great extent...

Occasionally, people try to twist words for their own ulterior motives... I get jaded sometimes.  (get it... Jaded??)
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Originally posted by Kickboxer Kickboxer wrote:

Just wondering if you are intentionally being DENSE...

Red is the color of choice for your eyesight at night... it has virtually no impact on "rod vision"... "night vision" according to the human eye.... in other words you can still see with no impact to your vision when using red lighted reticles.  Actually, a green lighted reticle will show up brighter with night vision... red will wash out.  
If you tend toward being red color blind, the amber reticle may have some utility, and perhaps that is why it was created.  However, for "normal vision" amber has no real utility other than a subjective "like"...
If you like green, by all means that is the best one for you to get.  However, red will keep your innate vision intact under low light conditions much better than green.  

Green Lantern was one of my favorite comic book heroes, though...


That first sentence seems a bit harsh. 
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KB...

i think there was a misunderstanding with the term "nightvison".  you went from talking about the technology of NV to the NV of the human eye rather fast.   sorry, i think it read it too fast as well.

anyway, they do not off the german dot in red so it will be either amber or green.  i plan on doing a lot of night shooting via weapon light so at first i figured amber, being on the "red" scale of things would be better.

my way of thinking now is: two things:

the dot is too small to allow the green to be too bright at night.

and, the dot is too small for the amber to show up durring the day.

ie....for the size of the dot (1moa) given, the green should be the best all around choice.
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Roger... to me it was just a question like "you messin' with me???"
Your thinking is sound on the choice between green and amber.  I liked the idea of the amber reticle, but after spending some time with one, it became my least favorite.  

I'm never one to criticize anyone's reticle choices, I choose a lot that no one else would.  For me, the pointy thing is more than adequate.  Many seem to not like it, but it is a very fast acquisition reticle and I am able to hit well with it.  

If you like the reticle itself, I think you'll find the green the right choice.  
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BTW... I had original copies of Fantastic Four, Spiderman, Iron Man, Thor, X-men, Hulk Original Action Comics Superman (given to me by my father)... when I went into the Army, my mother threw them all away.  I was really happy about that...
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Originally posted by Kickboxer Kickboxer wrote:

BTW... I had original copies of Fantastic Four, Spiderman, Iron Man, Thor, X-men, Hulk Original Action Comics Superman (given to me by my father)... when I went into the Army, my mother threw them all away.  I was really happy about that...


Many of us have those stories... Sad ... for me it was my baseball cards and comic books.


I miss reading my Sgt. Rock comics.  Big Smile


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as soon as i find the right price.  here is the gun it's going on.  i originally had a Hi Lux CMR scope on there and it left me wanting something more.  and yes, i plan on duracoating the scope to match the gun.


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update:

i just found and purchased the german #4 GREEN dot 

found it for $693 shipped.  cheapest deal ive seen for the greenie.  thanks for the help guys.  im sure the green is going to be great.  now im just going to hold my breath when i duracoat this thing! hahaha.





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