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Heres the situation - opinions please...

High end glassing binoculars for elk/mule deer/antelope hunting out west.
Going with 8X because there is a high end spotter to judge trophy quality.

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Show Sample Steiner Peregrine XP 8x44 - $850.00
Show Sample Zeiss Conquest HD 8X42- $700.00
Used Leica Trinovid bn 8X42 - $6-700ish (ebay)
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Staying with that list...
 
Trust me here, the Peregrine XP is by a LONG shot the best of the bunch.  It is as good as ANYTHING else from europe.
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klamath,

If he could get a demo pair for $7-800.00 would you consider this a good buy?


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Originally posted by ahiaring ahiaring wrote:

klamath,

If he could get a demo pair for $7-800.00 would you consider this a good buy?


Are you kidding Big Smile!  A like new condition show demo for half price?  I'll have to really think of ways to not call that a good deal....OK I tried...couldn't do it...yes that would be a really good deal. Big Smile.  The Prergrine XP is the only alpha class binocular I have ever really seriously considered buying...I didn't and that's another story.
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Originally posted by Klamath Klamath wrote:

Staying with that list...
 
Trust me here, the Peregrine XP is by a LONG shot the best of the bunch.  It is as good as ANYTHING else from europe.


I've seen most of the best of the best and Klamath is on the money.  Those Steiner's are fantastic, on par with anything I've ever looked through including FL's, Swaro SLC HD's, EL's, EDG.
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It is really amazing how many people are resistant to the notion that a mere Steiner could compare with the "Big 3". Of course, most if not all of them have never looked through the Peregrine XP's or any other Steiner's in the last 20 years.
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Do they have more than one Steiner?  You allowed to say who has them if you dont buy?

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If it's optics it's considered "advertising" when you mention other deals.
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So my cousin Tyler won the ebay auction from Steinerdirect for a pair of 8x44 demo pair of peregrine xp's for $711.00, I am thinking he got a good deal
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Originally posted by ahiaring ahiaring wrote:

So my cousin Tyler won the ebay auction from Steinerdirect for a pair of 8x44 demo pair of peregrine xp's for $711.00, I am thinking he got a good deal
I saw that auction and did wonder if that was the binocular.  You will see some absolute denial that anybody aside from Leica, Swarovski, Zeiss and maybe Nikon have any inherent ability to produce a top level optical instrument.  Your cousin got a screaming deal.  Pay no attention to naysayers telling you "I looked through a Steiner once..."
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Originally posted by Klamath Klamath wrote:

Originally posted by ahiaring ahiaring wrote:

So my cousin Tyler won the ebay auction from Steinerdirect for a pair of 8x44 demo pair of peregrine xp's for $711.00, I am thinking he got a good deal
I saw that auction and did wonder if that was the binocular.  You will see some absolute denial that anybody aside from Leica, Swarovski, Zeiss and maybe Nikon have any inherent ability to produce a top level optical instrument.  Your cousin got a screaming deal.  Pay no attention to naysayers telling you "I looked through a Steiner once..."
 
Would be the same if I said I wouldn't want a GT-40 or Shelby GT-500 cause my 1980 Pinto ws a POS.
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Originally posted by Roy Finn Roy Finn wrote:

Originally posted by Klamath Klamath wrote:

Originally posted by ahiaring ahiaring wrote:

So my cousin Tyler won the ebay auction from Steinerdirect for a pair of 8x44 demo pair of peregrine xp's for $711.00, I am thinking he got a good deal
I saw that auction and did wonder if that was the binocular.  You will see some absolute denial that anybody aside from Leica, Swarovski, Zeiss and maybe Nikon have any inherent ability to produce a top level optical instrument.  Your cousin got a screaming deal.  Pay no attention to naysayers telling you "I looked through a Steiner once..."
 
Would be the same if I said I wouldn't want a GT-40 or Shelby GT-500 cause my 1980 Pinto ws a POS.



Laugh Above   That's funny right there!!  the Pinto was a POS though!  Yes, I'm a rabid Ford man too!


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Klamath - 

I read a post on another thread from you that said steiner has a chinese factory. Am I correct to assume that the Peregrine XP is actually german and comes from their germany factory?

BTW - Im not against chinese - Im a huge Zen Ray Supporter
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As far a I know, yes Steiner has a factory in China.  What they make there I do not know.  I doubt Steiner will say anything either.   Assumptions can have their problems but I assume the Peregrine XP is German.  Look for definite printed info that says "Made in Germany".  If it doesn't say it is, it probably isn't.  I don't remember.

Minox is another "German" company with huge ties to the asian  (both Japanese and Chinese) optics industry.  You will see lots of "German Engineering", "German design". "German this or that" but maybe no actual "Made in Germany".
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I have asked those type questions myself and was told that all Steiner bino's are made in the Bayreuth, Germany factory. There are "small parts" that every optics company outsources from around the globe.
 
No chinese dudes were filmed in the making of this video....................Big Grin
 


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loved the video, didn't know bino's were made that way,
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Steiner Peregrine XP is definitely the best of those 3.

If your cousin got a like-new pair for $711, he got an incredible deal!
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Excellent video.Thanks Roy Excellent
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Check out the Kowa Genesis 8.5 X 44 some time.

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Originally posted by Peddler Peddler wrote:

Check out the Kowa Genesis 8.5 X 44 some time.

Peddler Big Smile
It was out of the discussion because it was not on the list.  Kinda hard to keep stuff sort of on track as it is Smile.  Having said that, the Kowa Genesis is another seldom recognized alpha level glass.  The Genesis binocular is certainly appropriate to include in an alpha class discussion.  Kowa spotters particularly the 883 & 884 are probably the best quality spotters you can buy.  The binocular has two things that work against it to a greater or lesser degree compared to the Swaro 8.5 x glass.  One is that the Kowa has a smaller fov, not much but enough to matter to some.  Like the new Swaro EL it is afflicted to one degree or another with rolling ball, an unaviodable side effect to a very low pincushion, sharp edge image.
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The other issue is weight.  The Kowa Genesis models are pretty heavy compared to their competitors... or, at least the 44mm models are.

They do have outstanding image quality, though, no doubt.
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Agree with Rifle and Klamath.  I had a pair of them for a while.  The first thing I noticed when I put them to my eyes was, 1. great glass 2.  high quality build 3.  Rolling ball..........
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We got the Steiner Peregrine XP's -wow they ARE alpha glass.  I wouldn't hesitate to drop the normal asking price ($14-1500) if that was the case.
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I wish Kowa would venture into rifle scopes.  I bet they'd make great scopes, incorporating design elements of their Prominar technology.
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Originally posted by ahiaring ahiaring wrote:

We got the Steiner Peregrine XP's -wow they ARE alpha glass.  I wouldn't hesitate to drop the normal asking price ($14-1500) if that was the case.


 Thunbs Up  Glad you like it!  It's a fine optic that stands toe to toe with the other alpha class stuff.
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