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So what do you guys think.  I am realy close to buying this rifle.


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The butt stock has some nice figure and the finish is the one I prefer on MarkV's. With the Talley's and the Monarch it looks like it needs a new home.
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Yeah, this is a Euromark that they discontinued several years ago.  I started looking at some Kimbers and Coopers, but I started looking for some Euromarks.  This one is used, but you can find a fair number of NIB, old stock.  As with the other brands, the stocks vary in their figure.  Usually these were AA Claro, and this one is as nice as any Kimber I have seen and comes as close to most Coopers I have seen on the internet, in this level of walnut.  The figure in this stock is alot nicer than an 84M in the Varminter that I am interested in, for about the same price.  This is a 300 Wby. and I already have 3 in this caliber, so I am not sure.  I like the Kimber Varminter in the 204 or could hold out for a Wby. Euromark in another caliber that I do not own.

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 Looks like it may have taken a spill?  There's apparently a small gouge on the right side of the stock below the loading port, and a light scratch on the objective bell of the scope as well as the rear ring. Nothing too bad, just "bargaining power".  I'd buy it if I were in the market and the price was right.
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Yeah, you are right.  I did not notice.  Well if I decide to buy, I will definately use those as bargaining tools.  Not sure yet anyway.
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I'm a fan of Weatherby rifles, especially in the caliber shown.  If the price is right and this is the rifle you are inclined to buy, go for it, it looks like a nice piece.
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I like Euromarks also .. but I'd swop out the gloss scope for a matte one .

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Nice figure in the buttstock portion!  I didn't see any mention of price... what are they asking for it? 
 
Just curious why your decision was between a varmint rifle in .204 that you don't have and a sporter in .300 Wby that you have 3 of...  That's just about as 180-deg different as you can get!  Sounds to me like your next rifle purchase is more about wood quality than what it's chambered in or what barreled action is attached to it.  I can relate -- any excuse to buy a new rifle is a good one! Wink
 
I don't know what your budget is, but if you were considering a Cooper, keep in mind that since they are a semi custom manufacturer, you can order any wood grade you want if wood is the priority.  I realize that Wby has a custom shop where you can do the same thing, but unlike Wby, Cooper doesn't have a "standard" off the shelf line, and therefore, all new Coopers will require a wait anyway, so you request the wood grade, stock style, and other options during the order process (unless you just happen to find what you're looking for on the net or at a dealer).
 
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these guys usually have a pretty good selection
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Originally posted by RifleDude RifleDude wrote:

Nice figure in the buttstock portion!  I didn't see any mention of price... what are they asking for it? 
 
Just curious why your decision was between a varmint rifle in .204 that you don't have and a sporter in .300 Wby that you have 3 of...  That's just about as 180-deg different as you can get!  Sounds to me like your next rifle purchase is more about wood quality than what it's chambered in or what barreled action is attached to it.  I can relate -- any excuse to buy a new rifle is a good one! Wink
 
I don't know what your budget is, but if you were considering a Cooper, keep in mind that since they are a semi custom manufacturer, you can order any wood grade you want if wood is the priority.  I realize that Wby has a custom shop where you can do the same thing, but unlike Wby, Cooper doesn't have a "standard" off the shelf line, and therefore, all new Coopers will require a wait anyway, so you request the wood grade, stock style, and other options during the order process (unless you just happen to find what you're looking for on the net or at a dealer).
 
Well, after looking at the Kimbers and Coopers, I remembered I have one Wby. in a Euromark stock, so I started looking around for some of those.  I really do want a different caliber than the 300.  They want about 895 for that rifle, with the scope, which when looking around is a deal.  NIB, old stock rifles are going for 1399 to 1999 depending on the caliber.  But, usually I can find one easily at the low end.  This one has seen little use and the minor ding does not bother me and yes, I would switch out to a matte scope.  If I buy a Euromark, I really want a Wby. caliber I do not own, 338-378, 378, 416 or 460.  I have all the rest, except for the 224 rocket and 375, the later of which I am not really interested in.  But, I have alot a varminter rifles and figured the 204 Ruger would be a nice addition.  I love shooting them for obvious reasons and they are so easy to reload and you can get almost a 1000 rounds from a pound of powder with some of them.  So that is how I went 180 degrees.  So, what I am looking at is, the Cooper Model 21 Varminter 204, Kimber 84M Varmint 204 or a Euromark in one of the above calibers.  I am leaning toward the Cooper or Kimber, just to have a different brand of rifle in my collection.  The fact that it is a single shot does not bother me in a Varmint rifle.  Second, I can find either one, right now on gunsamerica.  Give me your take, with the pluses and minuses, not considering the price at all, with respect to the Kimber vs. the Cooper, since you own both.  You to DC.  I also though about a 260, but own that caliber in the Steyr and 308, but own three rifles in that caliber, so sticking with the 204.
 
 
Just wanted to add, that the Cooper looks more like a Savage Varminter, with respect to the stock shape, obviously not the finish and the Kimber has the American Classic look, which I really like.  Those are other thing to consider.  The cost difference is not enough to be a deciding factor.


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Originally posted by Dale Clifford Dale Clifford wrote:

these guys usually have a pretty good selection
 Yeah, Duce pmed me about that site.  Thanks though.
 
 
 


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Originally posted by Dolphin Dolphin wrote:

Originally posted by Dale Clifford Dale Clifford wrote:

these guys usually have a pretty good selection
 Yeah, Duce pmed me about that site.  Thanks though.
 
 
 
I take that back, it was another site.  Sorry.
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This is the Kimber I can get for 879, that I really like.
 


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Originally posted by Dolphin Dolphin wrote:

Check this Cooper out: http://www.gunbroker.com/Auction/ViewItem.asp?Item=90303886.
 
If wood is a big priority, you can do much better in a Cooper, even in the Varminter grade (which is the lowest grade in terms of wood quality).  The seller is also asking too much for that rifle, as that's pretty much the standard MSRP.  I'd pass.  If it were me, I'd also pass on the Euromark, even though that is a pretty good price, simply because as you stated, you already have 3 .300's, and it really wouldn't add anything to your collection... unless you planned to sell one of your other .300's.
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Originally posted by Dolphin Dolphin wrote:

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  But, I have alot a varminter rifles and figured the 204 Ruger would be a nice addition.  I love shooting them for obvious reasons and they are so easy to reload and you can get almost a 1000 rounds from a pound of powder with some of them.  So that is how I went 180 degrees.  So, what I am looking at is, the Cooper Model 21 Varminter 204, Kimber 84M Varmint 204 or a Euromark in one of the above calibers.  I am leaning toward the Cooper or Kimber, just to have a different brand of rifle in my collection.  The fact that it is a single shot does not bother me in a Varmint rifle.  Second, I can find either one, right now on gunsamerica.  Give me your take, with the pluses and minuses, not considering the price at all, with respect to the Kimber vs. the Cooper, since you own both.  You to DC.  I also though about a 260, but own that caliber in the Steyr and 308, but own three rifles in that caliber, so sticking with the 204.
 
 
Just wanted to add, that the Cooper looks more like a Savage Varminter, with respect to the stock shape, obviously not the finish and the Kimber has the American Classic look, which I really like.  Those are other thing to consider.  The cost difference is not enough to be a deciding factor.
 
.204's, for the most part, shoot FANTASTIC, and they perform ballistically well beyond what the case size would seem to indicate.  My take on Kimber vs. Cooper:  if you want a varmint rifle, go Cooper, as they will usually outshoot the Kimbers.  Varmint rifles are what Cooper does best.  Concerning the Cooper varmint rifle stock style -- I wouldn't exactly call it "Savage like."  Their varmint style stocks are designed for bench shooting and carrying, so they have a sort of "hybrid" forend that is wider for shooting off a bench, yet still comfortable for shooting offhand.  Otherwise, it follows the American classic style in the remainder of the stock.  But, you can get a Kimber for less $.  If you want a sporter weight hunting rifle, I'd probably get a Kimber simply because they are lighter than the Cooper 52, and I like Kimber's scaled down rendition of the classic M70 action.  However, the Cooper 52 is very nice, and you can get way more options on it, so if you want a rifle all tricked out with options and drop dead gorgeous wood, the Cooper is the way to go.  Cooper uses better barrels than Kimber does, and they have a more stringent accuracy standard.  They use Wilson lapped and air gaged barrels, which aren't quite up to the standards of the best match grade Hart, Shilen, Krieger, etc, blanks but they're damn good!  You can get nicer wood with Cooper, though Kimber is no slouch in this category.  Both are very nicely finished. 
 
I have a M21 Varmint Extreme (higher grade than the Varminter with AAA grade wood) in .223 and a M21 Varminter in 6PPC.  I'll try to take a pic of the VE and post it for you, though a pic isn't likely to do justice to the beautiful wood on this rifle!
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Originally posted by RifleDude RifleDude wrote:

Originally posted by Dolphin Dolphin wrote:

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  But, I have alot a varminter rifles and figured the 204 Ruger would be a nice addition.  I love shooting them for obvious reasons and they are so easy to reload and you can get almost a 1000 rounds from a pound of powder with some of them.  So that is how I went 180 degrees.  So, what I am looking at is, the Cooper Model 21 Varminter 204, Kimber 84M Varmint 204 or a Euromark in one of the above calibers.  I am leaning toward the Cooper or Kimber, just to have a different brand of rifle in my collection.  The fact that it is a single shot does not bother me in a Varmint rifle.  Second, I can find either one, right now on gunsamerica.  Give me your take, with the pluses and minuses, not considering the price at all, with respect to the Kimber vs. the Cooper, since you own both.  You to DC.  I also though about a 260, but own that caliber in the Steyr and 308, but own three rifles in that caliber, so sticking with the 204.
 
 
Just wanted to add, that the Cooper looks more like a Savage Varminter, with respect to the stock shape, obviously not the finish and the Kimber has the American Classic look, which I really like.  Those are other thing to consider.  The cost difference is not enough to be a deciding factor.
 
.204's, for the most part, shoot FANTASTIC, and they perform ballistically well beyond what the case size would seem to indicate.  My take on Kimber vs. Cooper:  if you want a varmint rifle, go Cooper, as they will usually outshoot the Kimbers.  Varmint rifles are what Cooper does best.  Concerning the Cooper varmint rifle stock style -- I wouldn't exactly call it "Savage like."  Their varmint style stocks are designed for bench shooting and carrying, so they have a sort of "hybrid" forend that is wider for shooting off a bench, yet still comfortable for shooting offhand.  Otherwise, it follows the American classic style in the remainder of the stock.  But, you can get a Kimber for less $.  If you want a sporter weight hunting rifle, I'd probably get a Kimber simply because they are lighter than the Cooper 52, and I like Kimber's scaled down rendition of the classic M70 action.  However, the Cooper 52 is very nice, and you can get way more options on it, so if you want a rifle all tricked out with options and drop dead gorgeous wood, the Cooper is the way to go.  Cooper uses better barrels than Kimber does, and they have a more stringent accuracy standard.  They use Wilson lapped and air gaged barrels, which aren't quite up to the standards of the best match grade Hart, Shilen, Krieger, etc, blanks but they're damn good!  You can get nicer wood with Cooper, though Kimber is no slouch in this category.  Both are very nicely finished. 
 
I have a M21 Varmint Extreme (higher grade than the Varminter with AAA grade wood) in .223 and a M21 Varminter in 6PPC.  I'll try to take a pic of the VE and post it for you, though a pic isn't likely to do justice to the beautiful wood on this rifle!
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Originally posted by RifleDude RifleDude wrote:

Originally posted by Dolphin Dolphin wrote:

Check this Cooper out: http://www.gunbroker.com/Auction/ViewItem.asp?Item=90303886.
 
If wood is a big priority, you can do much better in a Cooper, even in the Varminter grade (which is the lowest grade in terms of wood quality).  The seller is also asking too much for that rifle, as that's pretty much the standard MSRP.  I'd pass.  If it were me, I'd also pass on the Euromark, even though that is a pretty good price, simply because as you stated, you already have 3 .300's, and it really wouldn't add anything to your collection... unless you planned to sell one of your other .300's.
 I agree with all of the above.  I have seen the rifle cheaper elsewhere.
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