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Just wondering.
Some people think that a binocular shouldnt cost more than 150$
 
The same people did buy eyeglasses for 1500$ and what did they got  ???      2 lenses and some steel
 
 
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Zeiss:
 
Are you wondering about recommendations on the low priced end?  Or something else.
 
For most here, quality can be had at all price levels.  For me I can be content with some
that cost under $100, and I do find enjoyment on some that cost much more.
 
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Originally posted by zeissoem2 zeissoem2 wrote:

Just wondering.
Some people think that a binocular shouldnt cost more than 150$
 
The same people did buy eyeglasses for 1500$ and what did they got  ???      2 lenses and some steel
 
 
Big Smile
Here in the USA most people have Health Insurance which pays for the bulk of the cost of their eyeglasses.
Now if we only could get the Insurance Companies to pay for the bulk of the cost of our binoculars we would have something to smile about.  Big Grin
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 Recommendation on cheap binoculars???  No -it wasnt that I mean.
 
 
Here in Norway we have to pay for the eyeglasses - no Health insurance for eyeglasses.
 
 
My wondering is why some people means it is cheap to use 1500$ on eyeglasses. but 1500$ is crazy to use on binoculars .
They think 150$ is higher limit.
 
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Originally posted by zeissoem2 zeissoem2 wrote:

 My wondering is why some people means it is cheap to use 1500$ on eyeglasses. but 1500$ is crazy to use on binoculars .
 
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Eyeglasses are a necessity, binoculars are not, for many people.
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Here in Michigan I pay around $300 for my eye glasses. I always get anti-glare coatings and progressive magnification. They have been Zeiss. This is through my insurance provider and the frames are standard and covered 100%. The added cost is strictly for the glass. I have to wear them since my arms became too short several years back.Wink
I like good glass in binoculars. I have Zeiss going on down to some $100 Bushnell's. For constant glassing I can justify the cost for the Zeiss. Though, some of the Vortex and Zen-Ray offerings I have used are very good. They are almost half the cost of the alpha binoculars.
I also have good reason to keep the lower cost binoculars around. I leave moderate priced Swift's in my home away from home. I also keep a pair of Bushnell's handy on my dining room table. I don't constantly glass with them so they are okay. They won't cost me a lot to replace if they take a spill or get stolen, too.
If I understand you correctly; I like good glass on my nose and certain binoculars because I use them a lot. The higher cost is justified.




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Originally posted by tahqua tahqua wrote:

 Though, some of the Vortex and Zen-Ray offerings I have used are very good. They are almost half the cost of the alpha binoculars.
 
My Minox BD 10x44 BP Porro is very, very good and I picked it up at 1/3 the cost, because they are no longer being manufactured.  Big Grin  
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Originally posted by Bird Watcher Bird Watcher wrote:

Originally posted by tahqua tahqua wrote:

 Though, some of the Vortex and Zen-Ray offerings I have used are very good. They are almost half the cost of the alpha binoculars.
 
My Minox BD 10x44 BP Porro is very, very good and I picked it up at 1/3 the cost, because they are no longer being manufactured.  Big Grin  
 
Bird Watcher:
 
That is a porro that I would like to try, I agree with you that it would be a great pick.
I would prefer one like that over some of these lesser offerings, as a good porro will
usually be better than a lesser roof. Smile
 
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Jerry,
 
I recommend the Minox Porro without hesitation.  Thunbs Up
 
I tested the Minox 8x44 Porro first, but, because I prefer higher magnifications, I decided to try the 10x44 and have not been disappointed.
 
I recommended the Minox Porro to one of the guys over on CN and he is very favorably impressed with the 8x44 version.
 
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If you like the Minox porro then also consider the Leupold Cascade porro. Same optical performance as the Minox but in a lighter and more ergonomic package....the latter at least for my hands. I had both for a time and preferred the Cascade porro for that reason. I would love to get my hands on another. They are my favorite porro.
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FrankD,
 
Minox Porro 24.3 ozs. vs. 24.9 ozs. for the Leupold Cascades Porro in 8x.
Minox Porro 24.3 ozs. vs. 25.4 ozs. for the Leupold Cascades Porro in 10x.
 
Minox Porro 4.96" vs. 5.0" long for the Leupold Cascades Porro in 8x.
Minox Porro 4.96" vs. 5.0" long for the Leupold Cascades Porro in 10x.
 
Minox Porro 44mm vs. Cascades Porro 42mm in 8x.
Minox Porro 44mm vs. Cascades Porro 42mm in 10x.
 
Minox Porro FOV 6.4* vs. 6.4* for Cascades Porro in 8x.
Minox Porro FOV 5.1* vs. 5.2* for Cascades Porro in 10x.
 
Minox Porro E.R. 18.5mm vs. 18mm for Cascades Porro in 8x.
Minox Porro E.R. 16mm vs. 16mm for Cascades Porro in 10x.
 
Minox Porro Light Transmission 94.5% to the eye in both 8x & 10x.
Cascades Porro Light Transmission to the eye in 8x & 10x, No info provided by Leupold.
 
 

Technical data

  • Magnification:
    8x
  • Front lens diameter:
    44 mm / 1.73 in
  • Exit pupil:
    5,5 mm / 0.22 in
  • Field of view:
    111.7 m / 1000 m, 6.4°
    336.74 ft / 1000 yds, 6.4°
  • Eye relief:
    18.5 mm / 0.72 in
  • Close distance:
    4 m / 13.12 ft
  • Over run:
    ±4 dpt
  • Diopter adjustment:
    ± 2 dpt
  • Twilight number:
    18.8
  • Geom. twilight number:
    30.3
  • Operating temperature:
    -10° to +50° C
    14° to 122° F
  • Waterproof:
    down to 5m
  • Height x Width x Depth:
    126 x 183 x 52 mm
    4.96 x 7.20 x 2.04 in
  • Weight:
    approx. 690 g
  • Order Number:
    62150
 
The Cascades still seem to be availble on the internet.
 
Stan Wink
 
 
 


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Interesting on the weight issue. I did not think I was mistaken so I went to two SWFA competitors' sites and pulled up this weight for the 8x44...
 
28.75 oz / 815g
28.4 ounces
 
...as well as noticing the same weights listed that you posted. I wonder which is true? I did find that the Minox felt heavier but that could have been because of the thicker rubber/slightly bulkier design.
 
Everything else is practically identical with the Cascade porro which is actually why I recommended them.
 
...and, yes, I did see them on the net a few places but the prices are higher than what I know they have sold for and, actually, for what I can spend right now.
 
Thanks though.
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FrankD,
 
The specs I gave came from the Minox Catalog.
 
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I noticed. Don't know why the disparity in numbers though.
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Originally posted by FrankD FrankD wrote:

I noticed. Don't know why the disparity in numbers though.
 
FrankD,
 
My experience, going from one internet website to another, has been that typos and advertising discrepancies are somewhat common. 
 
That's why I try and stick with the manufacturers specifications, rather than dealers or discount store ads.
 
Some of the worst advertising errors, regarding binoculars descriptions and specifications,
have been read on the #1 Discount Chain in America. Clown


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True. It leaves me wondering why they felt heavier in my hands then. I can only chalk it up to the difference in handling.
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Originally posted by FrankD FrankD wrote:

It leaves me wondering why they felt heavier in my hands then.
Probably because the Minox is built like a TANK. Wink  Tank
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True. I would certainly feel safe if I was being mugged.
 
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Frank,
 
Thunbs Up 
 
It's nice to have you back on the forum.
 
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Thank you. It is good to be back around you guys. Finally am able to get back into my hobbies again. Won't be able to buy optics like I once did but I still can contribute from time to time.
 
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Long time no see, Frank.  Good to have you back with us again, sir!

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I agree that everyone has different budgets and needs. Quality to me is relative based upon the individuals budget and the price point. I also have inexpensive binos for kids or friends to use around the house, etc. I know they are of limited quality and life span but they meet the bill. I buy the best I can for the price/use equation.

For my primary binos - 1)compact and 2) full size - This may be $100 to one person or $2,000 to another, I believe in buying the best you can afford. Good binos will last a lifetime and so offer a great investment. I know plenty of guys whos garages/cabinets or trash cans are full of cheap binos that don't work any more. I have never heard someone regret down the road buying the best they could afford.
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Buy the best you can afford.  More important thatn a scope as you will use these a LOT more.
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Originally posted by cornhuskid cornhuskid wrote:

Buy the best you can afford.  More important thatn a scope as you will use these a LOT more.
 
I agree that binoculars get used more when hunting. But, not being able to take the shot because I could not see through my scope what I saw through my binoculars is a problem.
I hunt in mixed terrain and low light a lot. On some rifles I can justify high cost on scopes. Mostly big game rigs.
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