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Originally posted by Chris Farris Chris Farris wrote:

Happy 21st Birthday nephew!  Enjoy your well deserved day off tomorrow.  I'm gonna buy you any pistol you want and Andrea is gonna pay for your CHL.  Hope you had a wonderful birthday weekend bro.
 
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It will be used mainly for plinking, truck gun, and carry on occasion.
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So, what handgun are you gonna get, Christopher?
 
Needless to say, that is extremely generous of your uncle!
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Well I don't know yet. Initally I wanted either a Sig .40 or a XD M .40. But that is why I started this thread to get everyones opinions...
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Originally posted by tahqua tahqua wrote:

SIG 229
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IMO don't get a Sig unless you get the double action only.  There is no point in having to learn two trigger pulls of a DA/SA gun.  In reality it will take 2 to 3 times as long to learn to run a DA/SA as well as a gun with a consistent trigger pull every time.  No need to handicap yourself right from the get go by having to fight two trigger pulls.

A 1911, Glock, XD, M&P, some H&K variations all have the same pull every time. 

The XDM is a nice pistol, I have 2 of them.  But if I were just to have a single pistol it would be a 1911.  As nice as the XDs and Glocks are I always go back to my 1911 as my favorite.  Nothing beats the feel of that single action trigger and the way they point in. 


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I HATE glock triggers and I love the way the XD shoots. Never shot a 1911 before. I also like the way the h&K shoots.
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With an offer like that, I wouldn't "take advantage", but I'd get something you'd be proud to own and carry for the rest of your life.
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I completely agree Rancid. I am not treating it as the fact that I can get whatever but rather that I still plan on getting what i would get if I was buying it. I still plan on buying one. I really do believe my List would be. Starting with the original list the marking out what I have decided against in the past year or two.
 
Glock- Hate the trigger pull.
 
Colt 1911 Nice and I do like them but will probably hold off for a later day. Gramps has an entire collection..
 
2 Sig Like them
 
XD Decided on the M instead
 
 1 XD M My favorite out of the bunch
 
3 H&K Like them but probably 3rd on my list...
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The 1911 and the XD have the same grip angle so they will point in the exact same.  If you like the XD, I bet you will like the 1911 even more.  A Wilson or a Nighthawk Custom would be about as good as you could get.  But they are 4 to 6 times what an XD would cost.  Ohh how I would love to have one.
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im not much of a pistol guy but the h&k usp has been the best "feeling" pistol ive ever held. i have smaller hands so the h&k fits very nice,the 1911's were to wide  for my comfort. i would just take my time and do some hands on research and make sure you get the one that will not only fit well but function well.
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Sounds like you have made up your mind.  The XDM is a better pistol than the Sig.  I had one for a while and IMO just does not even compare with the XDM.  Then as I said the whole DA/SA thing is just a pain. 

The only thing I struggle with with the XDM is the slide lock.  I ride my thumbs high instead of down on the grip because I am use to holding it ontop of the safety on the 1911.  Every once and a while my thumb will hit the slide lock on the XDM during recoil and the slide locks back.  In reality that is a pretty bad problem to have, so I have to hold it differently than I hold the 1911.  Other than that I think the M is a fantastic pistol.  I probably have 4000 rounds through one of mine 1000 through the other and have never had a single stoppage other than the self induced I state before.  They are good pistols.
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Do you want polymer frame or alloy frame?
 
If you want a .40, I'd get one of the following:
1.  Sig P250 (polymer frame)
2.  Sig P226 (alloy frame full size)
3.  Sig P229 (alloy frame mid size)
4.  Springfield XDM
5.  Glock 23
6.  S&W M&P
7.  H&K USP
 
All of the above are nice, well-made pistols.  I would choose based on which one seems to fit your hands ergonomically and which one has the operating system you prefer --"safe" action w/ trigger safety, i.e. Glock & XDM, DA, SA, or DAO.  The H&K USP offers you the option of  configuring the pistol for different firing modes (DA/SA/DAO).  The XDM and P250 give you the option of different grip profiles.  I've been hearing great things about the S&W M&P from owners lately.  A co-worker of mine told me he prefers it to his Glocks and Sigs.  The grip width of the alloy frame double stack model Sigs can be too thick for some operators, though I find them to be very comfortable.  Glock seems to be a "love it or hate it" pistol, but it is quick to deploy and quite compact for its capacity. 
 
Any of the above will be reliable and shoot well if they fit you ergonomically.  If a pistol doesn't feel "right" in your hands, you aren't likely to shoot it well, so if at all possible, it's a good idea to handle and preferably shoot the pistols you're considering before buying.
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I agree somewhat with what Supertool said about DAO instead of DA/SA mode.  Keep in mind if you do go with Doug's recommendation of the P226, it is available in a DAO version (called "DAK" - "double action Kellerman"). 
 
I think it's hard to beat a 1911, but you already ruled that out, and some, like me, aren't too fond of "cocked and locked" mode of carry.
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In reality the XD(m) is cocked and locked too, it just does not have the hammer.  Still the striker is locked all the way back and the trigger releases it.  They both have two safety's.  Both have grip, 1911 has thumb, the XD has trigger.
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Of course now they have came out with the Xd that also has a thumb safety.  Roll Eyes
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A 1911 is not the most "easy-to-carry" handgun, and I recommend you not even consider one unless you plan on getting some professional instruction and you plan to shoot it often and dedicate yourself to understanding how it works and how to handle/control it.


For ease of use, Sig and HK are hard to beat.  I've owned a few Sigs and a few HKs; I now only have the HK45 and will have it for quite some time: great feel, points well, controls well, everything is where it should be, and it is accurate.


I've shot a few XDs and like them.


If you plan to carry concealed, consider this (source is a Fed LE friend), the FBI has determined that if someone takes your (in a stressful situation, like a struggle):

If the gun has no external safety, you have approximately 3 seconds to recover the gun before the taker can discharge a round (or the first round.)

If the gun has an external safety, you have approximately 17 seconds to recover the gun before the taker can discharge a round (or the first round.)


I have friends who have said, "I would never let my gun be taken", and I have taken their gun from each of them (when they weren't expecting it.)  Every gun I carry (except a Kahr PM40 that rides in my front pocket) has an external safety.  I like 17 seconds MUCH MORE than 3 seconds.


I don't think you would be disappointed with Sig, HK, or XD.  And if there is something you don't like about texture or grip angle, there are MANY shops that specialize in customizing your plastic frame.




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Originally posted by RifleDude RifleDude wrote:

Do you want polymer frame or alloy frame?
 
If you want a .40, I'd get one of the following:
1.  Sig P250 (polymer frame)
2.  Sig P226 (alloy frame full size)
3.  Sig P229 (alloy frame mid size)
4.  Springfield XDM
5.  Glock 23
6.  S&W M&P
7.  H&K USP
 
All of the above are nice, well-made pistols.  I would choose based on which one seems to fit your hands ergonomically and which one has the operating system you prefer --"safe" action w/ trigger safety, i.e. Glock & XDM, DA, SA, or DAO.  The H&K USP offers you the option of  configuring the pistol for different firing modes (DA/SA/DAO).  The XDM and P250 give you the option of different grip profiles.  I've been hearing great things about the S&W M&P from owners lately.  A co-worker of mine told me he prefers it to his Glocks and Sigs.  The grip width of the alloy frame double stack model Sigs can be too thick for some operators, though I find them to be very comfortable.  Glock seems to be a "love it or hate it" pistol, but it is quick to deploy and quite compact for its capacity. 
 
Any of the above will be reliable and shoot well if they fit you ergonomically.  If a pistol doesn't feel "right" in your hands, you aren't likely to shoot it well, so if at all possible, it's a good idea to handle and preferably shoot the pistols you're considering before buying.
The Sig P250 is at the top of my list. My mom being in law enforcement owns several sigs, she swears by them. I will be test fitting and firing her sigs if I don't get another sig other than the P250 then  next will be a XD M in .40. I have had one on order since mid September.
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I don't like the 1911 as a carry gun personally. If I did buy one it would be out of my Grampas 1911 Collection anyways...
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Hey Ted Check this out..
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Now next I gotta decide on the XD M or an H&K. Leanng Heavily towards the XDM
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That is a nice looking sig.  With their newer double action triggers that are actually quite nice in the pull weight, that would be my choice of the sig as well.  
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I think Rifle Dude made a very good point with the feel of a pistol, if it does not fit your hand and feel right you will wind up not liking it no mater how good the quality is. Pistols are a very personal fit thing try as many as you can for as many shots as you can. Some just are natural and some are just wrong and you will never learn to like the ones that dont feel right.
 
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