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Last night I started to deprime some 5.56 military brass (about a 1/3 of a 5gal. bucket full). I was getting it ready to swage the primer pockets and then size and trim on a Dillon RT 1200. The brass had been cleaned already.
As I started grabbing individual cases and sticking them in my Rock Chucker and depriming them with a universal depriming die I got an idea (actually I already had the Idea, I just needed to do it). I could lube the cases and run them through my Dillon 650 and deprime the cases at the first stage and I wouldn't have to handle all those cases. Wait, I could also put the Dillon RT1200 at station 3 and size and trim the cases. At station 5 I could put a Lyman M die to expand the neck and then the cases would be ready to load, after the primer pockets were swaged. Hey it beats doing all these operations a couple thousand times each. Ahhh, but then the problem.
 
Because of the size of the trimer the station on either side of it has to be vacant. The trim die is to short to fit in the tool head and lock down with a lockring from the top, so the lockring has to go on the bottom of the tool head. My problem is when I try to tighten the lockring at station 3 it hits the bottom of the press before it makes contact with the tool head preventing it from locking down a die that is going to have a lot of torque put on it.
I'm trying to find a washer or spacer that is large enough to fit over the die and narrow enough to clear the press body. So far no luck on the washer.
Ideas, and/or comments welcome. I'll report back as things go. 
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Must be nice to have the Dillons all I have is a 35 yr old single stage RCBS Rock Chucker.
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I enjoy reloading, I do it more to get myself off the couch than anything else.  I'm pretty finicky about my loads and cases anyway to trust it to a progressive reloader. It takes me about an hour to completely prep 50 cases to be ready to reload. than about hour an a half to throw 50 charges and seat the bullets to depth. I weigh every charge and measure COL on every round.  Call me anal I know!!!!    Whistling

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bench shooters are anal -- most shooters perhaps over cautious. progressives will easily load accuracy too most shooters and guns ability-- its the reloader that doesn't trust himself not the machine.

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Originally posted by Dale Clifford Dale Clifford wrote:

bench shooters are anal -- most shooters perhaps over cautious. progressives will easily load accuracy too most shooters and guns ability-- its the reloader that doesn't trust himself not the machine.

 
 
OK, you got me!!!!
 
My ol' man always said "measure twice, CUT ONCE." 
I can't help it, it's ingrained!   
 
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OK, and I'm cheap..... rephrase that....   FRUGAL!!!
 
Progressives are expensive.
 
Did I not say i'm cheap!!!
 
 
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Well I tried a different harware store and found the washers I need. They will need some filing to fit, but I think they will be fine. Probably be this weekend before I get to try this setup and then I get to swage the primer pockets (oh boy).
When you load rounds by the hundreds to thousands, a progressive is a must. I have limited time to reload (one maybe two nights a week) so I want to make the most of my time. If I want one hole match ammo, I use a Rock Chucker and an electronic scale, and everything is done by hand one at a time. If I need to practice, my 650 will turn out ammo I could use at a match, and in a short period of time.
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Originally posted by Steelbenz Steelbenz wrote:

Originally posted by Dale Clifford Dale Clifford wrote:

bench shooters are anal -- most shooters perhaps over cautious. progressives will easily load accuracy too most shooters and guns ability-- its the reloader that doesn't trust himself not the machine.

 
 
OK, you got me!!!!
 
My ol' man always said "measure twice, CUT ONCE." 
I can't help it, it's ingrained!   
 
Mike  
 
 
LOL
 
Man, I HAD a friend who measured twice, then he measured his second measure twice just to make sure he got that right and then.... he drove me crazy!
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NEWS FLASH & UPDATE! After much hair pulling (ok head rubbing) and bad language, I got the great contraption up and running, and boy is it great.
I had to file down 2 washers to fit between the lockring and tool head for the trim/sizer die to fit at stage 3 without the lockring hitting the side of the press. I also had to replace the universal depriming die with a sizing die. I ran the deprimer out so the die wouldn't size the case. This helps align the case with the die and depriming pin (the universal deprimer wasn't aligning and the pin broke off).
So here's the process: clean and lube the cases (Dillon lube) and dump into the case feeder, start cranking, stage 1 deprimes the case, stage 2 does nothing, stage 3 sizes and trims the case with a Dillon RT 1200, stage 4 does nothing, stage 5 the case runs through a Lyman M die and expands about the first 1/32 of the neck. Now the cases are ready to have the primerpockets swaged.
I had to develope a rythem so the cases would fully seat in the shell plate, but when I did I could really turn out the sized/trimed and deprimed cases. I'm about half way through this lot, and then I get to swage primer pockets (oh boy).
This is really going to speed things up when cases need to be trimed, especially when I have hundreds or thousands of cases to load. 
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