Carbon removal from barrel..

I have fired around 250 rounds through my 6mmAI.

I use nylon brushes because I felt the brass brushes were mixing with the cleaning agent that I use, Barnes CR-10, and causing the "blue" left on the patches. Wasn't black though. 

Thanks, I will see if I can lay my hands on some of these.

I've found carbon is harder to deal with than copper...and you don't want to leave ammonia-based solvents for long. They can etch the barrel. I soak a .45 bore mop with M-Pro 7 and leave that jammed in the chamber overnight (with the rifle upside down and with the muzzle slightly lower than the action). The mop will be covered with flakes of carbon. I used to use GM Top Engine cleaner but that stuff is highly toxic. I then run patches through on a spud with a copper solvent until they come out completely clean. I stopped brushing altogether.

I use a bore snake in the field as often as possible. Carbon and copper have never been a problem for me.

rustic wrote: I use a bore snake in the field as often as possible. Carbon and copper have never been a problem for me.

cleaning is over rated." Just shoot"....

8shots wrote: I have fired around 250 rounds through my 6mmAI. I clean it after evrey range session, whuch amounts to about 50 rounds. I use Shooters Choice, Shooters copper removal and Boretech Carbon removal. Heavy soaks and lots of time for it to do its thing. However, after my last session, this is after 250 rounds total through the barrel, I could feel the patch push harder through the throat area and then softer through the rest of the barrel. The patch comes out clean (white). I then did a bit of scrubbing with the bronze brush, only in the throat area. Black gunk came out. Soaked again carbon cleaner, patch comes out clean. Scrub with wire brush, black gunk. I repeated this process about twenty times, even using a brand new bronze brush to eliminate the brush as the source of the carbon.   So after a couple of bronze brush scrubs the patch came out clean.   Whats up here??   My take is that all this expensive stuff is not doing its job. Remember, I soaked and soaked, sometimes even overnight. A good old bronze brush scrubbing did the trick, with Ballistol oil. The paatch also now felt smooth throuhout the barrel.

cheaptrick wrote: rustic wrote: I use a bore snake in the field as often as possible. Carbon and copper have never been a problem for me. Is this the only cleaning you do, is with a Bore Snake?

For the barrel... Yes.

rustic wrote: cheaptrick wrote: rustic wrote: I use a bore snake in the field as often as possible. Carbon and copper have never been a problem for me. Is this the only cleaning you do, is with a Bore Snake?   For the barrel... Yes.

What type of cleaning solutions do you use?

Outers

Wipe Out will remove ALL of the fouling without any scrubbing at all.

Where do you get that at??

I order it online, but I have also seen it sold locally.

No using Sierra Blitzking, no molycoats.

Rustic, if the only thing you use is a Bore Snake to clean your barrels, you probably have more of a copper problem than you presently know. 

Just soak it in this for a few minutes  http://www.tetraproducts.com/product_view.asp?ID=4  and patch it out. No brush needed. if you think you need to brush it do so. This is some good stuff. i have seen it work wonders and it stinks to high heaven.

cheaptrick wrote: Rustic, if the only thing you use is a Bore Snake to clean your barrels, you probably have more of a copper problem than you presently know.

Agreed.

Especially on factory rifles.  All mine copper foul like crazy.  Bore snakes work great at breaking loose some carbon between cleanings, but beyond that they do not do much.  

+1 on the Wipe Out.

You have the "Dreaded Cone of Carbon", a common event which occurs more as the more "over bore" the caliber and powder charge combination. Copper fouling really isn't a problem, but carbon build up will ruin accuracy.
the best carbon cleaning solvents are unsaturated aromatic ethers. light wt. synthetic motor oil. the ether bridge has an unshared pair of electrons, which combines with the carbon residue, and the aromatic rings are a natural carbon solvent. Saturate barrel with a wet swab let stand for a couple of hours, spray out the residue with brake fluid , follow with one pass of JB's bore cleaner , then Kroil

If you had been using moly this wouldn't have happened.

BoreTech Eliminator

Dale Clifford wrote: You have the "Dreaded Cone of Carbon", a common event which occurs more as the more "over bore" the caliber and powder charge combination. Copper fouling really isn't a problem, but carbon build up will ruin accuracy. the best carbon cleaning solvents are unsaturated aromatic ethers. light wt. synthetic motor oil. the ether bridge has an unshared pair of electrons, which combines with the carbon residue, and the aromatic rings are a natural carbon solvent. Saturate barrel with a wet swab let stand for a couple of hours, spray out the residue with brake fluid , follow with one pass of JB's bore cleaner , then Kroil If you had been using moly this wouldn't have happened.

Best advice so far.  Stuff a cork in the barrel and then fill with synthetic motor oil, or even cooking oil will work.  Let stand overnight and then drain and run a patch through it.  Also if you need to wash your hands after some  mechanic work start your wash with some form of cooking oil.  Then use dawn dish detergent or other soap.  You will have the cleanest hands on the block

Wipe-out is the way to go. Been using it for years. Pull a bore snake through after each trip to the range or hunt. Use Break Free on the snake. Wipe out when I feel like it. A good break in was part of the history.

I will have to try wipe out with a bore snake.