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 I just noticed while  dry firing, that while on the bipod my rifle and reticle have a pretty severe cant. When I support with my off hand the cant goes away. The rifle is a stock savage model 11 with the tuppaware stock, and the bipod is from walmart. Just kinda wonderin which one to blame?
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You CANT (get it, can't/cant...) blame either one without testing.  You need to level the rifle, then check the scope, then try leveling the rifle on the bipod.  That should show you which is in need of correction. 
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Neither. 
 
When you shoot from a bipod, either from a bench or prone, you tend to "scrunch up"
and that changes the angle of  the strong side shoulder in relation to your rifle, and in doing so, changes the shoulder "pocket" that we're told to place the rifle stock into.
 
When you extend the weak hand forward that angle changes, and the stock placement changes to accomodate what you feel, and the reticle changes position.
 
A shooter really has to consciously work on rifle placement and NPA ( natural point of aim) on a continual basis to prevent such things from occuring.  It's not a learn it-got it kind of thing, it's a checklist every time a shooter shoulders the rifle.
 
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I did some testing against a level line drawn on the garage wall. While on the bipod top of rifle canted towards right (trigger) hand. When I reach out with my weak hand the cant (in relation to level line) disappears. But thank you Mike for your input, npa, is something that I am working on very hard, as I tend to try muscle the cross hairs into possition. Most of my shooting is done in the desert, so working with less than ideal posititions.
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I am in Az right now, but it is quite a "hump" from here to there.  I think we could resolve your problem in short order.  Too bad.  Hard to get a real feel for the situtation without the rifle in hand and you close. 
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virtually all shooters shoot with both cant and cast off and the more the body is in the same plane as the rifle bore axis the greater the problem. shot gun shooters correct the stock to the shooter, rifle shooters, train or use a tool such as a bubble on the scope or an electronic cant alert or in somecases adjustable recoil pads. . usually it only becomes a problem in the later decent part of the bullet trajectory.
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Cant can have a definite impact if you shoot at long ranges.  Here is some information
 
 
The only really important thing is that the reticle is level when you shoot.  The rifle can be canted
 
 
but the reticle must be level.
 
The best option is to align the centerline of the scope with the bore of the rifle when the rifle is uncanted, level the reticle and then be able to duplicate it in the field.
 
There are several ways to do this but the only one I have found to be foolproof (helps me out Big Grin) is this:
 
I use an EXD device
 
 
while the rifle is in a vise.  The EXD will align the axis of the scope and the bore and the level bubble will tell you when the rifle is uncanted
 
 
while the rifle is still locked down and now uncanted, I aim it out the door at a 4' level sitting on a fence 25 yards away.  Now I can rotate the scope in the rings until the reticle is level and carefully lock it down.  It is not easy and you will find out how much a scope will rotate from tightening the screws on one side sooner than the other.
 
At the same time you need to attache an anti-cant device and level it.  I prefer the ScopLevel
 
 
 
which will fold down when not in use and you can see over your ocular when taking the shot.
 
 
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While not exactly good, my P.O.S. bipod broke while shooting this afternoon! It seems that one of the legs had worked loose. I didn't have the time or the tools to fix it in the field, so I picked up the pieces and finished shooting off an improvised rest. While not the best group in the world, it was also a new powder charge.And I admit freely that I am not the best shooter in the world! I am both out of practice and with out instruction!

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Btw where in AZ are you Kick?
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Beautiful Yuma... plenty of sunshine and "cool" breezes...
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What bringd you to the wonderful garden spot of ...Hell, um, I mean Yuma?
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FYI ,I think USO makes a bubble level fo r the scope that tucks back in when not in use. Personally I’d use one if I regularly shot out past 4 or 5-undred, but here in oh  Hi oh  don’t get the chanc too ofin.. and the error from canting aint a huge concern when I’m ranging and trying to keep myself from fumblin around..

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Now you have an excuse to pick up a Harris and a pod-loc.
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