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Looking at a Nikon Buckmaster 6-18x 40mm side-focus Mildot w/ tall turrets...


For the money (up to $50 more, would be about $350 absolute tops), is there anything out there better? Must have a ranging reticle. Some type of target or tactical knobs, have a high end magnification anywhere from 14x - 20x and glass at least as good as the Buckmaster. Does not have to have parallax adjustment, but if it does, SF or AO doesn't matter.

Does this scope exist?


**There's the 4-16x mildot Monarch, but I've handled this scope and after 10-11x, the eye position is so critical, it is almost impossible to get a crisp bright sight picture. That scope is not an option. My old design Monarch does not have this issue.


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 Does it NEED to be a variable power scope?
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This one is just a hair over your budget...
 
 
But it's another option, and better than a Buckmaster in my opinion.
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Better in which way?
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what is your main shooting/hunt conditions?  Then we can give you more input.
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Originally posted by Black Squirrel Black Squirrel wrote:

Better in which way?
 
I'd say better in every way....clarity, more durable, a better value, etc.  The 3200/4200 scopes are some of the best scopes for the money.  I own a Buckmaster and it's not a bad scope, but I'd rather have a 3200. 
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99% target shooting. Mildot to learn ranging with. Scope isn't for hunting. Going on a .223 Savage rifle. Conditions would be bright days at the range. Would like the scope to get out to 600-700 yards. With ~25 minutes of "up", I think that will do. We use 69 - 75gr match BT bullets. Considered the 4.5-14x, but this model goes up to 18x (better to have and not need, than need and not have) and has tall turrets which is preferred - worth the $20 difference.

The gentleman that suggested the Bushnell above made me take at the specs. The Nikon has a little more magnification, also comes with a sunshade (and extra turrets). Has the same elevation, 50 total, 25 up. Only difference really is the Bushnell as AO, Nikon has SF - that's irrelevant, but the Bushnell has 1/4" clicks, the Nikon 1/8" ...however, the 3200 is $90 more. Does the 3200 have better optical quality? I was under the impression the Buckmaster line was at least as good or maybe a hair better.



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Just an observation, but the Bushnell mentioned has nice tactical knobs, where as the Nikon has caps over the knobs, and if its like my monarch the extra knobs are kinda pointless because the caps dont fit over them. Altho the side focus is nice, but that doesnt seem to be much of a concern over AO to you. I cant speak from experiance but i was always under the impression that 3200 glass was better than buckmaster. As for my 6.5x20 nikon monarch the glass is great and good low light abilities, but unfortunately at the highest settings the quality goes down a tad bit.
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Magnification is a lot less important than the quality of the glass. Better glass trumps magnification when identifing small targets.
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Originally posted by 3_tens 3_tens wrote:

Magnification is a lot less important than the quality of the glass. Better glass trumps magnification when identifing small targets.
 
AMEN to that!  Like it has been mentioned previously, high magnification ranges with fair glass are easily trumped by lower magnification but higher resolution glass.
 
Go with the best glass within your budget, then consider mag range...
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+1 Ceylonc,
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++1 to Ceylonc and good to see you back, also.
I would also add mechanical reliability to this.
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10562 Nikon 2.5-10x42 Monarch 8408, Matte finish, Mil Dot reticle, 1" tube, finger adjustable windage and elevation, fast focus eye piece, new in box never mounted $485.00 $329.95
This will have a lot better glass than the Buckmaster, has Mil-Dot and priced $20 under your $350 limit. I have this scope without the mil-dot and love it.  This is on the Samplelist.com site operated by our host. Good luck. Wink

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