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CA has removed these Sigs from the list of approved firearms. They were safe now they are not. So what is up with that?

http://oag.ca.gov/sites/oag.ca...firearms/removed.pdf


P6 (C.A.I.) / Steel, Alloy ..........9mm
Mosquito (Green) MOS-22-G / Steel, Polymer ...........22 LR
P220 (Stainless) Sport / Stainless Steel ...........45 ACP
P228 (Two Tone) / Steel, Alloy ..........9mm
P229R GCP / Stainless Steel, Alloy ...........40 S&W
226-9-Sport-STK / Stainless Steel ..........9mm
1911-45-S / Stainless Steel ...........45 ACP
P226R HSP / Stainless Steel, Alloy ...........40 S&W
P229R HSP / Stainless Steel, Alloy ...........40 S&W
P226R DAK / Stainless Steel, Alloy .......... .40 S&W
P226R DAK / Stainless Steel, Alloy ...........357 SIG
P226R DAK / Stainless Steel, Alloy ..........9mm
P229R DAK / Stainless Steel, Alloy ..........9mm
P226R (Blued) / Stainless Steel, Alloy ...........357 SIG
P226R (Blued) / Stainless Steel, Alloy ...........40 S&W
P226R (Blued) / Stainless Steel, Alloy ..........9mm
P229 SAS / Stainless Steel, Alloy ...........40 S&W
P229R DAK / Stainless Steel, Alloy ...........357 SIG
P229R DAK / Stainless Steel, Alloy ...........40 S&W
P228R (Blue) / Steel, Alloy ..........9mm
P225 (Blued) / Steel, Alloy ..........9mm
P226R Blackwater 226R-9¬Blackwater / Stainless Steel, Alloy ..........9mm
P229R Equinox / Stainless Steel, Alloy ...........40 S&W
P226 (Blued) / Stainless Steel, Alloy ...........357 SIG
P226 (Blued) / Stainless Steel, Alloy ...........40 S&W
P226 (Blued) / Stainless Steel, Alloy ..........9mm
P229 (Blued) / Stainless Steel, Alloy ...........40 S&W
P226 DAK / Stainless Steel, Alloy ...........357 SIG
P226 DAK / Stainless Steel, Alloy ...........40 S&W
P229 DAK / Stainless Steel, Alloy ...........357 SIG
P229 DAK / Stainless Steel, Alloy ...........40 S&W
P229 (Blued) / Stainless Steel, Alloy .......... .357 SIG
P229 (Blued) / Stainless Steel, Alloy ..........9mm
P220R Carry SAO (Two-Tone) / Stainless Steel, Alloy ...........45 ACP
P226 (Two-Tone) / Stainless Steel, Alloy ...........357 SIG
P226 (Two-Tone) / Stainless Steel, Alloy ...........40 S&W
P226 (Two-Tone) / Stainless Steel, Alloy ..........9mm
P229 (Two-Tone) / Stainless Steel, Alloy ...........357 SIG
P229 (Two-Tone) / Stainless Steel, Alloy ...........40 S&W
P229 (Two-Tone) / Stainless Steel, Alloy ..........9mm
P239 (Two-Tone) / Stainless Steel, Alloy ...........357 SIG
P239 (Two-Tone) / Stainless Steel, Alloy ...........40 S&W
P239 (Two-Tone) / Stainless Steel, Alloy ..........9mm
P226R (Stainless) / Stainless Steel ...........357 SIG
P226R (Stainless) / Stainless Steel ...........40 S&W
P226R (Stainless) / Stainless Steel ..........9mm
P226 FBINA / Stainless Steel, Alloy ...........40 S&W
P239 DAK (Blued) / Stainless Steel, Alloy ..........9mm
P226 DAK / Stainless Steel, Alloy ..........9mm
P229 DAK / Stainless Steel, Alloy ..........9mm
P228 (Blued) / Steel, Alloy ..........9mm
P220 (Blued) / Steel, Alloy ...........45 ACP
P220 (Two-Tone) / Steel, Alloy ...........45 ACP
P245 (Blued) / Steel, Alloy ...........45 ACP
P245 (Two-Tone) / Steel, Alloy ...........45 ACP
SP2009 (Blued) / Stainless Steel, Polymer ..........9mm
SP2009 (Two-Tone) / Stainless Steel, Polymer ..........9mm
SP2340 (Blued) / Stainless Steel, Polymer .......... .40 S&W
SP2340 (Blued) / Stainless Steel, Polymer ...........357 SIG
SP2340 (Two-Tone) / Stainless Steel, Polymer ...........357 SIG
SP2340 (Two-Tone) / Stainless Steel, Polymer ...........40 S&W
P226 Navy (Blued) / Stainless Steel, Alloy ..........9mm
P229R (Blued) / Stainless Steel, Alloy ..........9mm
P229R (Blued) / Stainless, Alloy ...........357 SIG
P229R (Blued) / Stainless Steel, Alloy ...........40 S&W
Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)     Back to Top Direct Link To This Post Posted: September/15/2014 at 19:03
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My guess is that Sig Sauer pissed off the state of California considering everything on the list is SIG. Maybe SIG didn't make the bid sweet enough to resupply the Highway Patrol.
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A buddy sent me this and he is a Sig fan. If you look at the link there is 50 pages of guns removed from the approved list. Apparently the state of CA makes you send in every variation of firearm and charges you $700 per firearm to certify it for the approved list and charges you $200 per year per firearm to keep it on the list.  My buddy said that if a Sig P226 is approved, but not the version with Hogue grips. Then the version with Hogue grips is not on the approved list. Just changing the grips can remove a firearm from the list. Just another way for the state of CA to make it harder to purchase a firearm.
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Originally posted by Sparky Sparky wrote:

Just another way for the state of CA to make it harder to purchase a firearm.


Thats it.  They cannot confiscate them, (yet) so they will slowly make it illegal to own them.  Boiling a frog in a pot.
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It is a business.  The only think that makes a handgun legal in CA (other some assinine feature requirements) is the company's willingness to continually pay California some amount of money.

If they choose to not submit themselves to that blackmail, then they take a financial hit.

Keep in mind that California is, I think, either a 3rd or 4th largest handgun market in the US.  A company that refuses to do business in California can take a hit.  In practice, I suspect Sig will just sell a smaller number o fmodels in Cali and plan to make more money on accessories.

ILya
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Thats a good insight ILya.  Also makes the gun owners pay for their own demise in a way. 
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Did you guys open the link and look at the list? Most handgun manufacturers were on the list, not just Sig. I don't recall seeing Glock or Kahr, but most any other brand you can name except for some of the custom builders had models on the list.


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Gen 4 Glocks were never on the list (I think California requires a magazine disconnect and GLock basically told to them to go pound send) and Kahr is doing so well in California with a limited number of models they sell here that I can't imagine them not renewing.

As far as the extent of that list goes, keep in mind that every time the SKU number changes they have to re-certify, so I fully expect different makers to simply sell a small number of SKUs in California and let everything else fall off the list naturally.

I am sure that will create a short term buying panic and they well completely sell out their inventory in the next few months.

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Originally posted by koshkin koshkin wrote:

Gen 4 Glocks were never on the list (I think California requires a magazine disconnect and Glock basically told to them to go pound sand) and Kahr is doing so well in California with a limited number of models they sell here that I can't imagine them not renewing.

As far as the extent of that list goes, keep in mind that every time the SKU number changes they have to re-certify, so I fully expect different makers to simply sell a small number of SKUs in California and let everything else fall off the list naturally.

I am sure that will create a short term buying panic and they well completely sell out their inventory in the next few months.

ILya
 
 
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ILya's correct but the micro-stamping law and CA Attorney General Kamala Harris is a huge part of the problem as well. Last year Harris announced effective immediately all new handguns had to have this technology while already approved handguns slowly started dropping off the list. It was challenged and I think it's still tied up in the courts.

Before this I believe manufacturers had to pass the following tests below and pay a small fee for each firearm to be added to the list.

http://smartgunlaws.org/design-safety-standards-for-handguns-in-california/

The current CA handgun list:

http://certguns.doj.ca.gov/

Ruger lawsuit:

http://ruger-docs.s3.amazonaws.com/declaration-Fifer.pdf

Edited by mike650 - October/08/2014 at 13:08
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