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      I have to buy my first rifle.For the moment I have to buy just the one.The targets will be deer,moose,bear.
      The question is what caliber is proper to take to be OK with all of them.I understood that could be a grain difference for white tail/moose/bear.But with the caliber...
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 For all 3 with all the different loadings,  America's favorite 30-06.
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.300 Weatherby Vanguard Backcountry..........I'll sell you one.Bucky
 
I would say .300 Win., but might not be a good choice for a first rifle. I'm a 30-06 hater, so I don't know what to recommend. Maybe a 7mm Remington, but I don't know that that would be my first choice for bear. My first choice for bear would be something BIG though..........because they scare me.Big Smile
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You've really left it wide open for caliber choices ...308's ...30-06....7mm mag anything ....338 anything ...... 300 mag anything .....270 ...280.....whatever it takes ...
Do you have a budget in mind or make of rifle ? Is ammo cost and availability an issue? Will deer be the primary game of choice with a hope for something bigger in the future or will bear and moose be a regular item?
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 Also, what KIND of bears will determine suitability as well. I know that some guys figure a big black can approach a grizzly in size, but my recommendations for Kodiak brown or Polar bears would be significantly different than that for strictly black bears.
 Also brush country whitetails and open sage muleys have very different requirements in cartridge performance. You should probably narrow it down a bit for us.
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Originally posted by scavaleru scavaleru wrote:

      I have to buy my first rifle.For the moment I have to buy just the one.The targets will be deer,moose,bear.
      The question is what caliber is proper to take to be OK with all of them.I understood that could be a grain difference for white tail/moose/bear.But with the caliber...


What kind of experience do you have shooting??

What area/terrain are you hunting?

Ronk already asked what type of bear(s).
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       The first choice will be deer,moose is the second and bear(black) the third.The ammo for hunting has to be very precise(best in the market).But for training could be ordinary.
        Bears scare me,too.
        The area will be in Ontario-Canada.So,will be a lot of forest.I thing max.300 yd.
        I never was to hunting.But I am good to shot the targets.
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this is easy, 35whelen. 
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Originally posted by pyro6999 pyro6999 wrote:

this is easy, 35whelen. 
 
Yep.  That would be great choice.  35 Whelen hits a whitetail like the hammer of thor. 
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You are very fortunate in that there are no shortages of good choices.  All of the recommendations made so far will work very well.  Basically, any big game cartridge from .308 Win class power on up will fit the bill.  I think your best choices for an "all around, general purpose" rifle are .30-06, any of the various 7mm magnums, and any of the various .300 magnums.  .35 Whelen would be great, but there are fewer rifles chambered for it, and ammo is harder to find if you don't reload.  Anything .338 would work well also, but all but the .338 Federal are a bit overkill if the majority of your hunting will be for whitetail.
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Depending on the size of the bear, get an 06 or a 7RM and be done with it.
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9.3x62 easier to find factory ammo than the .35
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.308 Win or .30-06 (leaning towards the '06 for larger animals). Both are widely available. There's probably no place you could go in North America and not be able to get .30-06 ammo.
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.300win mag or 30-06
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45/70 would work well...
30-06 has about the best availability and widest range of loadings of any caliber.  Can also take any North American game, but would not be my first choice for bear.  It will do the job, I wouldn't hesitate to use it, but I believe the 45-70 is better.  45-70 is also very good for the other game you mentioned...
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I think one should ask what calibers you have shot, and how the recoil felt to you. It would be unfortunate to recommend a caliber to you, and have you not shoot it well, because of the recoil. I thought a .300 win mag would be a good choice, but the recoil can be a bit much for some. What calibers have you shot at targets?
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I think Preston knew what I would say.  30-06 or 300 Win Mag would be very good choices.  Hunters in Alaska often use a 338 Win Mag which retains a lot of energy at distance.  Availibility of ammo for 30-06 and 300 WM is good but the 300 WM is quite a bit more expensive to get the same weight bullet pushed about 300 ft per sec faster.  If you are sensitive to recoil the 30-06 would be the better choice.  I would prefer the 300 WM myself.  I believe the rifles would be the same price for most of the calibers mentioned.  I have never had a 338 WM but I do  have a 375 H&H and it's plenty of gun for anything.  The 45-70 is  best used under 200 yds which is why I would only select if for heavy brush.
One of my friends uses a 270 Win to hunt Elk with very successfully.  I've always been told that 30-06 is the absolute minimum for bears.  The more dangerous something is the larger I want the rifle caliber to be  - Big Bear -BazookaBig Bullet.
 
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30-06 is probably the best starter rifle. A Remington 700 in 30-06 should be on your list of rifles to look at. You can get some quality trigger time on deer with 130gr ammo. Then step up to 150 to 180gr. for the bigger animals. Then if you decide to buy another rifle later on you will have good experience to help you know what you want next. Let us know what you do. Good Luck!
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General Information:
Load No
Caliber
Grains/ Grams
Bullet Style
Brand
Use
P7RF
7mm Rem. Magnum
160 / 10.37
P3006AH
30-06 Spring. (7.62x63mm)
180 / 11.66
P300WX
300 Win. Magnum
180 / 11.66
P300WSMJ
300 Win. Short Magnum
180 / 11.66
P338K
338 Win. Magnum
225 / 14.58

Ballistics Comparisons:
  Velocity in Feet per Second (To nearest 10 FPS)
Load No
Caliber
Muzzle
100 Y
200 Y
300 Y
400 Y
500 Y
P7RF
7mm Rem. Magnum
2950
2752
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Originally posted by RifleDude RifleDude wrote:

You are very fortunate in that there are no shortages of good choices.  All of the recommendations made so far will work very well.  Basically, any big game cartridge from .308 Win class power on up will fit the bill.  I think your best choices for an "all around, general purpose" rifle are .30-06, any of the various 7mm magnums, and any of the various .300 magnums.  .35 Whelen would be great, but there are fewer rifles chambered for it, and ammo is harder to find if you don't reload.  Anything .338 would work well also, but all but the .338 Federal are a bit overkill if the majority of your hunting will be for whitetail.
 
Couldn't have been said any better than what RifleDude replied. You can't go wrong with magnum 7's, high powered .30 cals, or larger since you opt to kill bear and moose. 
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I like the 35 Whelen ..that'll get it done for you ...
If not - I would look at a 30-06 as the MINIMUM and  up from  there with the 30 cal magnums and so forth , topping out at 338 Win Mag ... The 45/70 ( I have 2 ) is a good 200 yd or less choice and can be had in a compact Marlin lever action
 
 
As an aside .. My nephew just got back from Iraq and bought his first "do it all " rifle . Found a 300 Win Short Mag stainless Weatherby Vanguard on Gunbroker and topped it with an Elite 4200 3x9 ..All in all done for under $800 and it's virtually weatherproof to boot ..shoots Winchester XP3 180's right at an inch at 100 yd.s . He's set for his first bear hunt in New Brunswick this spring ..


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Originally posted by martin3175 martin3175 wrote:

I like the 35 Whelen ..that'll get it done for you ...
If not - I would look at a 30-06 as the MINIMUM and  up from  there with the 30 cal magnums and so forth , topping out at 338 Win Mag ... The 45/70 ( I have 2 ) is a good 200 yd or less choice and can be had in a compact Marlin lever action
 
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