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Hello, new to the forum, live in the UK, just bought a .223rem for foxes and to take some long shots at targets, I have a cheap mil dot scope on it at the moment. I want to buy a scope that will allow me to become a good long range shot (for the gun), learn to estimate range etc. Price is not a major issue, but I want to buy a good scope that I will be happy with, and not want to upgrade it in a year or two. I like the mil dot type reticle to take some of the guesswork out of holdover, but apart from that I am new to shooting out past 150 yards.

 

Swarovski seem to be the best thought of over here, but I am open to any makes and models.

 

Any help would be most welcome.

 

Thanks

 

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IOR 2.5-10x42 Tactical 30mm Rifle Scope
  • Matte
  • Illuminated MP-8
  • 30mm
  • First Focal Plane Reticle

This is a great scope, but if money is a issue then go with the Super Sniper... 

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Originally posted by TPS_Phil TPS_Phil wrote:

IOR 2.5-10x42 Tactical 30mm Rifle Scope
  • Matte
  • Illuminated MP-8
  • 30mm
  • First Focal Plane Reticle

This is a great scope, but if money is a issue then go with the Super Sniper... 

 

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Thanks chaps, looks good and write ups very positive, can't find a supplier in the UK on the net although its made in Europe, but I can get it from US. A lot less than I thought I would need to spend too ( I thought up to $2000).

 

By coincidence Jarhead was on TV, about the american sniper in the first gulf conflict, He had a shot at 900 yards, his spotter gave him the range and windage , he dialed it in. Is it as simple as that or is that Hollywood? What sort of kit would he have been using, it didn't look a big scope.

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I would recomend you to buy a rangefinder, that takes away a lot of guessing.

I do prefer Leicas separate rangefinders, without the built in binocular......

 

Though much of the foxhunting is during low light and night I would recomend you to buy a Zeiss 3-12x56 or 6-24.

Smith u Bender 4-16 is also a strong choise.

 

If you buy the scope with adjustment turrets that is made for adjusting the range on, you don't have to use tha mildot for holding over.

 

Here is a few versions that I use.

The first is turrets after installed on Zeiss and the others are the orignal turrets of Zeiss 6-24x72

Regards Technika

 

 

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Thanks for the info, how do the nikon tactical scopes compare on the sample list(edit: to the IOR stuff), I am willing to spend more if it is worthwhile.

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Personally, I'll take IOR over a Nikon Tactical any day.  Better glass, and I prefer MP-8 reticle over a regular MilDot.

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ILya,

You mentioned a couple weeks ago that IOR has no association with Zeiss and didn't use Zeiss optics.  I've been considering one of their MP8 reticle tactical models and I'm confused by the following info from the SWFA order page:

 

IOR 2.5-10x42 Tactical 30mm Rifle Scope

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Rifle scope will operate in any weather conditions from -40 to +140 in high humidity and rain

Features

  • Glass reticle etched or photo engraved
  • T-3 lens coating system developed by Carl Zeiss, consisting of fully multi coating and anti reflex treatment on all lenses, eliminating glare and maximizing light transmission
  • Mil spec 6061 - T6 alloy housing, "O" ring sealed and nitrogen filled
  • Waterproof
  • Fogproof
  • Recoil proof
  • Magnum lock support system on reticle mechanism (Do Not Adjust)
  • Glass supplied by Schott Glasswerk, Germany
  • Diopter adjustment -4 to +4 DPT
  • Reticle adjustment range 88 MOA

Has this changed recently, or is this incorrect info?

 

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T3 is an older coating no longer used by IOR.  The current (and much improved) coatings are called MC-7. 

To the best of my knowledge T3 coatings had nothing to do with Carl Zeiss.  When IOR was behind the iron curtain, they had a fairly loose association with the East German Zeiss Jena (not affiliated with West German Carl Zeiss).  East German Zeiss Jena is now known as Docter Optics.  Whether Zeiss Jena had anything to do with T3 coatings is not clear.  However, I am quite certain that MC-7 coatings have nothing to do with Zeiss of any sort.

This is a misconception I see fairly frequently.  I suspect SWFA has just not gotten around to correcting it.

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Thanks for the info, ILya.  Not having seen IOR scopes outside of stores, I was just looking for a frame of reference with which to compare the optics.  I like the price and features of these scopes, although I think I'd stick with the 30mm models.  Which brings me to another question:  how would you quantify the optical performance differences between the 30mm and 35mm models, i.e., is there a significant difference or just a slight difference?  There's significantly less ring selection in 35mm vs. 30mm, so depending on how significant the optical differences are, I might be willing to accept that tradeoff.

 

Thanks again for your input!

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35mm scopes are a little better optically, but the difference is not huge.  Generally, once you get into a reasonably high price range optical differences are very incremental (diminishing returns).  While 35mm IORs are better with their 6x erector and marginally better glass, they are also more expensive.  I think 2.5-10x42 IOR with 30mm tube and FFP is an excellent scope for a good price.

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Thanks again for the feedback, bud!
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does the IOR have a zero stop on it, and are the adjustments in mils?

 

Thanks, just got to find a supplier in Europe now!

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It does not have a Zero stop and the adjusments are in MOA's.
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Originally posted by koshkin koshkin wrote:

35mm scopes are a little better optically, but the difference is not huge.  Generally, once you get into a reasonably high price range optical differences are very incremental (diminishing returns).  While 35mm IORs are better with their 6x erector and marginally better glass, they are also more expensive.  I think 2.5-10x42 IOR with 30mm tube and FFP is an excellent scope for a good price.

ILya

 

 35MM Scopes are better optically ????   Did you mean 30mm tube ?  What a mis-statement !   That is just a european standard manufactured to try to get more light before the newer high end optics were made . I'm sure you did'nt mean a small 35mm diameter lens is better in any respect .  

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35mm refers to the tube diameter of the newest IOR scopes.  They have a different optical system than IOR scopes with 30mm tubes.  As for the 30mm European standard it has absolutely nothing to do with getting more light.  You may want to check the FAQ threads on this forum.  There were several good threads on this that ended up in the FAQ.

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Originally posted by oldman47 oldman47 wrote:

35MM Scopes are better optically ????   Did you mean 30mm tube ?  What a mis-statement !   That is just a european standard manufactured to try to get more light before the newer high end optics were made . I'm sure you did'nt mean a small 35mm diameter lens is better in any respect .  

 

You might want to check out some FACTS before shooting your mouth off, Partner.

 

http://www.valdada.com/vn/ior/03u

This is one of (4) 35mm tubed scopes that IOR offers.

 

Or, we could drift over to S&B's website and see the PM II line, that offer a 34mm tube on some it's models.

http://schmidtbender.com/scopes_policemarksman.shtml

 

And, the Zeiss Victory Diavari has come out with a 34mm tube too....Not lens size , TUBE SIZE!

 

I certainly may be mistaken as to your intent, but it would seem that YOU are the one that stepped on his pee wee here, Sir.

 

At any rate.........SHOW THE DARK LORD SOME RESPECT!!!!!!!!!!  

 

OUT!

 



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The dark lord takes a back seat to "The Lord." You want a good tacticle scope, you buy the best. You buy a Leupold Mark IV. Still have the best warranty in the optics business. They are proven, for ruggedness, reliability, tracking, and most of all dependability. When your life depends on 1 shot, like it does for an Army Sniper, you go with Leupold!
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Originally posted by Blackbird Blackbird wrote:

The dark lord takes a back seat to "The Lord." You want a good tacticle scope, you buy the best. You buy a Leupold Mark IV. Still have the best warranty in the optics business. They are proven, for ruggedness, reliability, tracking, and most of all dependability. When your life depends on 1 shot, like it does for an Army Sniper, you go with Leupold!

 

Are you a Army sniper, BB??

Former maybe?? 

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Originally posted by Blackbird Blackbird wrote:

The dark lord takes a back seat to "The Lord." You want a good tacticle scope, you buy the best. You buy a Leupold Mark IV. Still have the best warranty in the optics business. They are proven, for ruggedness, reliability, tracking, and most of all dependability. When your life depends on 1 shot, like it does for an Army Sniper, you go with Leupold!

 

That would be a Schmidt & Bender PMII,USO or a few others, I am sorry to say Leupold does not even rank any more. Koshkin is going to laugh when he see's your post.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Schmidt & Bender has agreed with the United States Marine Corps to supply all Scout Rifle Day Scopes for use on the Corps' sniper weapons.  A modified version of the Schmidt & Bender 3-12 x 50 Police Marksman LP II scope will become standard equipment on all .308 and .50 caliber USMC sniper rifles. 

The Schmidt & Bender 3-12 x 50 PMII LP is replacing a 10x sniper scope which has been in use for the last 25 years.  The new scope features an illuminated Gen 2 mil-dot reticle, an improvement upon existing mil-dot styles, allowing for more precise rangefinding at greater distances and on a wider variety of target sizes.  The Schmidt & Bender scope was selected from products submitted by 25 different companies as the only riflescope to meet or exceed all of the USMC’s rigorous specifications.

The Schmidt & Bender scope will include an elevation dial made to USMC specifications. Especially attractive to the Marine Corps is the fact that the 3-12 x 50 PMII LP can be used on both .308 and .50 caliber weapons, with changes only in windage and elevation dials. 

While the modified USMC version of the 3-12 x 50 PMII LP is not available to the public, a similar model, including the Gen 2 mil-dot reticle, will be offered in the near future. Many scopes can be retrofitted with the Gen 2, as well.

We are pleased and honored to serve one of the most elite, storied military organizations in the world.

 

 

USO:

 

 

Zeiss:

 

 



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Originally posted by oldman47 oldman47 wrote:

Originally posted by koshkin koshkin wrote:

35mm scopes are a little better optically, but the difference is not huge.  Generally, once you get into a reasonably high price range optical differences are very incremental (diminishing returns).  While 35mm IORs are better with their 6x erector and marginally better glass, they are also more expensive.  I think 2.5-10x42 IOR with 30mm tube and FFP is an excellent scope for a good price.

ILya

 

 35MM Scopes are better optically ????   Did you mean 30mm tube ?  What a mis-statement !   That is just a european standard manufactured to try to get more light before the newer high end optics were made . I'm sure you did'nt mean a small 35mm diameter lens is better in any respect .  

 

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I stand corrected. I was just informed by one of Uncle Sam's higher-ups, that you are correct. I guess I am showing my age. Technology today is advancing so quickly, that I didn't realize S&B got the military contract. I apologize to all that I may offended. God Bless.
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No problem, take care Blackbird.
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Originally posted by Blackbird Blackbird wrote:

The dark lord takes a back seat to "The Lord." You want a good tacticle scope, you buy the best. You buy a Leupold Mark IV. Still have the best warranty in the optics business. They are proven, for ruggedness, reliability, tracking, and most of all dependability. When your life depends on 1 shot, like it does for an Army Sniper, you go with Leupold!

 

WOW!!!!

 

Somebody drank way too much of the "Kool Aid..."

 

15 years ago, maybe...

 

Today: NOT!

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who does the best deal on a S & B then?
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