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   Is the Zeiss Conquest optically better than Bushnell 4200 or are they about the same? Also how do the two compare in low light? Does one really give you enough time over the other one to make a real difference?

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i dont know, but the 4200 is a heavy sob
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When you consider comparing similar model (3-9x40's) the 4200 is lighter and costs 200 bucks less, I would go with the 4200 in this case. The Conquests are great scopes, however, the two are very close optically. A "real difference"? In my opinion, no.
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The 3-9x40 4200 is one of the best deals on quality optics around. It is pretty close to the Zeiss, a lot closer than the price difference tells.

Good luck Rem700 and nice screen name.

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I own and have tested and compared both....hope my results don't rock anyones boat. Compared head to head across the board.......

Brightness - dead heat with neither any better than the other. Both went to the exact same time after sunset still able to discern a textured object setting back into the woods line about 30 feet.

Resolution - both could read to the same line on an acuity chart at 100yds at equal powers.

Reticle - the bushnell std duplex is not quite as heavy as the conquest #20 Z Plex. Bushnell is wire reticle and will wash out in some reflected light situations going a bronze color. Etched zeiss remains black in all light, the conquest will be the better choice in lower light use.

Ocular Focus - the zeiss has the fast euro focus that is not connected to the power change dial and works excellant. The bushnell uses the leupold style locking focus that is slower to adjust, but works fine once adjusted.

Finish - the zeiss is a more grainy finish compared to the smooth satin finish of the elite. Some will prefer one while some will prefer the other, all personal reference, the conquest is harder to scratch than the bushnell.

Tracking - both scope models track excellant with crisp clicks and both hold POI excellant as well.

Weight - bushnell 4200 elite 4x16x40 18.6 oz.......zeiss conquest 4.5x14x44 17.5 oz.

Contrast - I prefer the conquest for its blue/white spectrum, many will no doubt also prefer the elites warmer and closer to natural light spectrum. I use the word brilliance to describe this effect and think the color brilliance of the conquest is better to my eyes.

Warranty - both offer lifetime warranties

Service - here theres no contest for me......I have had two different experiences with bushnell service that were less than impressive. They are slower to repair, refund money, or send out parts to you.

Rainguard - the bushnell rainguard really works for me and outer fogging and blur out from rain and snow are pretty much eliminated at least to the point where you could still make a shot. conquest has no such coating or protection.

Resale Value - the conquests are always pretty close to lowest available prices when you see them for sale so they bring about 90% of what you pay for them, if you shop wisely when you purchase. bushnell you take a lot more of a price hit when you sell and often are more in the 75% area if kept in good shape.

Eye Relief - the conquest has a constant 3.5" advertised and actually measures 3.6" to my eyes. bushnell measures right at 3.5".....neither cause you to "crawl" the scope when going to higher powers.

Eye Position Critical - here the bushnell is slightly less forgiving than the conquest when moving your eye from side to side or up and down until the sight picture blacks out while at equal power settings.

Price - the bushnell is $389 for model I tested (4x16x40) and conquest is $699 for model I tested (4.5x14x44) In a basic 3x9x40 scope the bushnell is $259 while the conquest is $399.

I own both scope brands, I shoot both scope brands, I have them both on favorite rifles, I trust both models for bringing out the best of my guns. I prefer the conquests because they have more features I like and that color contrast just works the best for my eyes. But the price is hard to ignore with the bushnell and the rainguard is a nice plus. The etched reticle and euro focus is real nice on the conquest. Both are good scopes in my opinion and either would be a nice addition to your rifle. I tried to remain unbiased and just give my likes and dislikes as they have effected me in the last few years of using both in the real world. Hope this sheds some light on your question

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I have both. I have to agree with the great breakdown that Focus described above.  Personally, they are very very close optically I would give a slight and very slight edge to the Zeiss perhaps its because the scope "Seemed" brighter not that it really is but the blue /white contrast (described above post) makes it appear so.  On my scopes I like that bright crisp type image where as in my binoculars I perfer the warmer natural light view. 

 

Both are fantasic scopes, the rain guard on the Bushnell really works, I like the finish on the Bushnell Elite looks "richer" in my opinion.  I hate the plasic over sized hot wheel looking adjustment caps on the Conquest. You can't go wrong with either one, if you want to have great performance at a great price the Bushnell is really hard to beat. If you got the cash and you want perhaps a very slight edge over the Bushnell with bragging rights that it says Zeiss then go with the conquest.

 

Good luck and happy shooting

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  To: Rem700!..............................Excellent responses above to your subject regarding these two wonderful scopes!!! These two scopes, the Conquest and the 4200, were on my final list of four possibilities this past March, with these two, becoming my two final choices...............I looked through and compared both, at the same time at a local dealer, by taking them outside, using all magnification ranges, viewing different targets and at various distances. Probably spent a good hour doing so................As Focus points out above, when doing an honest comparison, both have their pros as well as their cons, that is, if you could really call them full fledged cons. Regardless of what any of us write or recommend, your final scope choice will ultimately, be left up to YOUR eye balls! Your eyes should and will make the decision for you!!!........My eyes, when carefully considering my final choice, made my decision for me, as well as the COMPARISON of both to the dollars spent! In other words, what am I getting in relation to the bucks spent????? The Zeiss Conquest 3x9 for example is $399. The Bushnell Elite 4200 3x9 is $259 on this site. Is the Zeiss worth $140 more???? Some say yes, others will say no, not really!!!!  What will your eyes say to you?????...............To be honest with myself and taking everything into consideration, including all those points mentioned in Focus` above post, I personally and honestly could not justify paying the extra $140 for the Zeiss!!!!....With that said, neither scope will keep you from being successful in the hunting fields, even under, the most extreme weather conditons. Although, I will give the edge to the 4200`s Rainguard in that department!!!............Another matter which was not previously mentioned, is the scopes construction. You should also consider durability in the event you accidentally drop your rifle or hit your scope on something. I cannot speak for the Zeiss in that department, but I can speak for my Elite 4200!!!!.......Quoting from my brochure packet,,,,,,,,,,"The 4200 features a one-piece, hammer- forged aluminum and titanium alloy tube that gives it 30% more strength than standard aluminum scopes." "Add to that our exclusive, patented, hydrophobic Rainguard lens coating and you get a riflescope that provides UNMATCHED clarity and sharpness, EVEN in the worst conditions.".......Also, the 4200, as reported in past magazine articles, has successfully withstood thousands of rounds of recoil abuse mounted on a .375!!!!!!....................By the way, my two other finalists were the Leupold VX111 and the Nikon Monarch. Before I arrived at my final four choices, I compared many others in relation to the "BANG FOR THE BUCK."............I have shooting/hunting friends that own VX111`s, Nikon`s, Zeiss,` Burris`;;;; who they themselves, have peered through my Elite 4200. In their honest opinion, as well as mine and with NO loyalty to ANY manufacturer,,,,, the Bushnell Elite 4200,,,,, FOR THE MONEY SPENT,,,,,IS the best scope on the market!!!!!......Only your eyes will determine that!!!!..............................Enjoy your shopping and comparing,,,,,,Good luck,,,,,,,Big Squeeze! 
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I own both, I shoot both, I like both, but Customer Service is a dying art in our world - and the simple fact that Zeiss responds quickly and efficiently means allot to me, especially given that many have had very bad experiences with Bushnell.  I will defintely pay a few $$ extra for a comperable product with a better warranty.

 

That aside, I like the Zeiss more, I think the optics are slightly better - resolution and clarity wise - and the eye relief is a dead-on for me throughout the Zeiss' powe range whereas I repositioon behind the Bushnell.

 

Again, I own both, I like both, I shoot both; but - at the end of the day - that means I paid more for the Zeiss and will do so again - and did so swhen I could'a bought another Bushnell.

 

But the 4200 is a great scope for the money.

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Thanks for all the great replies!!! I just got to look at both side by side today at Cabelas and I am leaning toward the zeiss. The image is nice and cisp and I like the recticle on the Zeiss better also. The bushell seemed very picky on where you put your head behind it. The image and cross hairs on it also didn't seem quite as clear on the bushnell. Thanks again for all the great replies. I will let you know what i get but it might be awhile because I don't have the funds yet.

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Good call on the reticles Rem700, you will be happy with your choice.
Thanks to the other guys for your thorough reviews, great!

Good luck with the Zeiss
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i would give the slight edge to the zeiss, only because of the thicker reticle/reticle choices.

 

optically, they are both suppurb.  flip a coin, if reticle selection is not an issue.

 

let us know what you decide.  Welcome to the OT.

 

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Originally posted by Rem700 Rem700 wrote:

Thanks for all the great replies!!! I just got to look at both side by side today at competitor s and I am leaning toward the zeiss. The image is nice and cisp and I like the recticle on the Zeiss better also. The bushell seemed very picky on where you put your head behind it. The image and cross hairs on it also didn't seem quite as clear on the bushnell. Thanks again for all the great replies. I will let you know what i get but it might be awhile because I don't have the funds yet.

 

If you have a competitor 's showroom nearby, then check the Bargain Cave for optics. I just bought a NEW Zeiss Conquest 3-9x40 in there for $309. Yes, it was a customer return. There were ZERO indications that the scope ever did anything other than come out of the box. Many optics returns, except those showing obvious wear of course, are catalog customer returns (according to the staff there). Things like "Oops, I ordered the wrong size/power/etc." to "My wife got this for me and it's the wrong one". I bought 8x30 Zeiss Conquest binos from the Cave for $350 several months back.

 

I can't help you with the comparison, and I've never really liked Bushnell's stuff, so I'm very uninformed on the Elite scopes, but I love the Conquest optics, and at Bargain Cave prices, they are a great deal.

 

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Outstanding information provided by focus and others in  this thread.  I own and shoot both scopes and would concur with conclusions.  I've not had any experience with Bushnell customer service but lost a windage adjustment cap from my conquest.  One phone call and it was replaced post haste.  I give high marks to good customer service.

The 4200 is a sleeper to those who've not used one.  Could easily sell for an additional 15% + and still be good values.  Well done, all.

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