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I was looking for a decent scope for my limited budget and narrowed it down to these two scopes.  The Bushnell 4-12x40 Legend and the Swift 4-12x40 Premier.  I'm just looking for opinions on these two scopes because I know if I spent a little more I would get more. These scopes are the same price at $175.
Which would be the better scope, which would go on another varmint rig.
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423944M Bushnell 3-9x40 Elite 4200 Rifle Scope                                                                                  Bushnell 3-9x40 Elite 4200 Rifle Scope
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  • Multi-X
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If you can spend a little bit more money - this scope will GREATLY outperform either of the afformentioned ones.

 

you will not be in anyway disappointed - what are you putting this scope on?

 

if a multi-x reticle would be ok for varmints, this scope will perform wonderfully.

 

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i would buy the swift given the choices you gave, there warranty is awesome break it bring it back take home a new scope no questions
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yeah, it's hard to mess w/ that warranty from swift.

 

But the 4200's are rock solid.

 

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Wink   Mr. jonbravado happens to be right on this one!!!!!!!..........With the 4200`s fully coated, rainproof, fogproof optics, outstanding resolution, adding on the patented Rainguard feature, (REALLY WORKS, IN ANY WEATHER SITUATION) ,,,,,durability in construction (1 piece, aluminum and titanium alloy tube),,,,,,for the money, there is nothing better!!!!!!...................The Swift can`t compare to the 4200!!!!!...........For the money, neither can the VX111 and the 4200 is a better scope!!!! I am a former Leupold owner!!!! It is simply a name!!!!................If you can spend the extra funds, go with the 4200! It is a rock solid jewel and well worth the added cost over a Swift!!!!!!............I own a 4200 and did my homework before my purchase!!!! You will not be disappointed!!!!..............................Big Squeeze! 
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Thanks for the replies.  I agree that the 4200 would be an excellent choice.....so if we are going with a 3-9x40 scope, how would the Sightron SII 3-9x40 and the Nikon Monarch 3-9X40 stack up against the 4200?  They are somewhat less expensive than the 4200.  I believe $199 and $218 or something like that.
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Originally posted by Big Squeeze Big Squeeze wrote:

Wink   Mr. jonbravado happens to be right on this one 

 

As usual.... 

Johnny is very optics savvy.

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you guys are too kind

 

the monarch OR the sightron would do well - the monarch is the only one i have personal field experience with besides the 4200.

 

if you are on a really tight budget, the monarch is a fine piece of glass.

 

if you can spend a lil more. go 4200.

 

thanks.

 

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Treesheperd,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,Between the Sightron, the Monarch and the 4200??????..........................Unless I`m mistaken, I believe that the 3x9 Elite 4200, available from this site, sells at $259!!!!....I paid $299 for my 3x9  Elite 4200 via somewhere else!!!! Still,, a damn good price!!!! ...........The Nikon Monarch and the Sightron are good scopes! But! When you consider the features and benefits received vs. cost,,,, they don`t stack up to the 4200!!!!!!...... For under the $300 PRICE POINT, simply put, NO OTHER 3x9 SCOPE ON THE MARKET, will compete on equal footing with the 4200!!!!..................If that`s NOT TRUE, then somebody please tell me what scope does;;;; that compares EQUALLY to the 4200, in construction quality, durability, light transmission / brightness, optic quality in clarity, resolution AND after all that, topped off with the addition of the fogproof, snowproof, moisture proof, rainproof, RAINGUARD lens coating feature!!!!!!     WHAT OTHER SCOPE????...................Your original post mentioned 4x12`s variables as your possible choice. Remember though!! A 3x9 in all hunting situations and conditions, will accomplish or do anything that a 4x12 will......If not, then it`s you the shooter, not the scope or rifle!!!!!..........I am not a fixed power scope fan!!!!....But! Keep in mind that the late Jack O`Connor, probably the best known gun writer, author and successful hunter of the 20th century,,,,used nothing but, 4x fixed scopes, the majority of his hunting career!!! With that said, does anyone out there, not believe, that the 3x9 variable, won`t accomplish the same thing?????.....................To be honest with you my friend!!!!!...Go with Elite 4200!!!!...It will be the last scope your rifle will ever need!!!!!..................Big Squeeze!  
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While Elite 4200 is an awesome scope, the slightly cheaper SIghtron S2 3-9x42 (~$200) has optics that is almost as good (you can only see the difference in  aside by side comparison and only if you look for it), is just as tough and has longer and more flexible eye relief.

Elite 4200 has the Rainguard and fast focus eyepiece.

SIghtron S2 has longer and more flexible eye relief and costs less.

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jack o connor was the also the reason a lot of good things died or else didnt become as popular as they should have just cause he didnt like it, i havent used a 4200 in the field but to me i can tell the difference between it and the monarch, and i hunt in some dismal conditions here in the north land, -30 degrees at times with blowing snow or some times it 75 and raining, and so far i havent had an ounce of trouble with any nikon scope, and i beat the hell out of them at times. the 4200 is a good scope but it still says bushnell on the box its comes in and that just makes me think about all the guys i hunt with that have the $69 bushnell scope on there deer rifle that wont stay zeroed or fogs up or breaks every other year and i just cant put myself up to buying one, i used to be a loopy fan then i tried a nikon and with the exception of one ffII i havent bought anything but nikon, it may take a leap of faith to get me to change my opinion on bushnell but maybe someday i will try it. dont take this the wrong way guys please. i just think nikon makes a great product as well. any good scope is moisture proof in any form and fog proof, so thats a moot point the rain guard probably is good but so is a good set of flip up covers. one adavantage the 4200 does have is that it doubles as a night stick as they are as heavy as a 6 cell mag light.
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I obviously am not going to argue with brand preference.  If you like Nikons, then you should use Nikons.  Most midrange scopes are nearly interchangeable.  However, I just want to correct one statement: Elite 4200 3-9x40 is pretty trim and light: 12.6" long and 13 ozs.  THat's a bit lighter, I think, than the old 3-9x40 Monarch and definitely lighter than the 3-9x40 Buckmaster.  THe new Monarch 2.5-10x scopes are about the same size and weight as the equivalent Elite 4200.

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Well I certainly appreciate the passion for the 4200.  I have a 3200 that I like, it does the job just fine.  I will probably spend a little more and go with the Sightron.  I have heard nothing but good things about that scope anyway, plus it is closest to my budget.  Here is the scope I plan on getting in the future...any comments on this?  I expect a few suggestions to spend a few bucks more and get the Zeiss Conquest 3-9x40, which I have also considered.New Nikon 3-12x42 Monarch Riflescope                                                                                    New Nikon 3-12x42 Monarch Riflescope
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  • 1"
  • Side Focus
  • Free SWFA Lens
.any comments on this?  I expect a few suggestions to spend a few bucks more and get the Zeiss Conquest 3-9x40, which I have also considered.
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Originally posted by koshkin koshkin wrote:

I obviously am not going to argue with brand preference.  If you like Nikons, then you should use Nikons.  Most midrange scopes are nearly interchangeable.  However, I just want to correct one statement: Elite 4200 3-9x40 is pretty trim and light: 12.6" long and 13 ozs.  THat's a bit lighter, I think, than the old 3-9x40 Monarch and definitely lighter than the 3-9x40 Buckmaster.  THe new Monarch 2.5-10x scopes are about the same size and weight as the equivalent Elite 4200.

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i stand corrected they both weigh in at 13ozs

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if you don't absolutely 'need' the side focus - I.E. long shots (300+) where parallax is an issue, i would stray away from it.

 

the conquest would serve you very well, indeed.  They always do - #4 reticle if available is great for deer hunting.

 

but if you want nikon monarch, go for it, it's a great scope.  elite 4200's are awesome too.

 

if you REALLY want to step it up a little bit, go for IOR hunting or Kahles KX.

 

good luck.

 

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Alright guys you have gotten me way off course......man I hope my wife doesn't find this site, if I stop posting you know what happened.  Ok......for now I think I have settled on the sightron, but if ya'll want to comment on the following 2 scopes as to which would best choice for my next purchase and project. It will go on the new Ruger hawkeye in .25-06.

Bushnell 20x40 Elite 4200 Rifle Scope                                                                               Bushnell 2.5-10x40 Elite 4200 Rifle Scope
  • Matte
  • Multi-X
  • 1"
  • Rainguard
SWFA: $369.95


New Nikon 20x42 Monarch Riflescope                                                                                  New Nikon 2.5-10x42 Monarch Riflescope
  • Matte
  • Nikoplex
  • 1"
  • Free SWFA Lens Pen w/ Purchase
SWFA: $389.95



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Treesheperd,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,Both the Monarch and the 4200 are excellent choices!!!............Between these two, you know what my 1st choice would be,,and why!!!.................Big Squeeze!!!
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i can tell you the nikon has a lifetime full warranty where the 4200 i believe is a lifetime limited warranty whatever that means.
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Treesheperd..................One thing I forgot to mention in my earlier posts...............Since I own a Ruger M77 Frontier 2 compact in the 300 WSM, I`m also able to mount a scout style scope on the barrel, forward of the action, as my hunting needs dictate................My 4200 is currently mounted over the action.........Recently, I purchased a Nikon, 2.5x8 variable, UCC Monarch with EER, specifically to be used as a scout scope. The Bushnell Elite 3200`s in their handgun series simply didn`t have the proper eye relief................Both scopes are zeroed in and switching them takes only a few minutes with no need to re-zero!!.............Pyro6999 should be pleased that I own a Nikon too!!!!.......Interestingly, I did place a call to Bushnell to confirm exactly what their warranty covers on the Elite`s!..................Even though it states "limited lifetime warranty" in my warranty packet, should I have ever have a problem with anything, (ANY FUNCTION), the scope will either be fixed or replaced. Warranty does NOT cover misuse or abuse, which is very fair and reasonable!!........I have absolutely NO LOYALTY to any manufacturer! However, I purchase the products that serve a specific purpose and give me the best possible value for the dollar............My Elite 4200 and the Nikon Monarch do exactly that!!!...........Thumbs up........................Big Squeeze!
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Thanks guys for all the help.  I put the 4200 in my last post on my wish list. I will see how the sightron SII works out first.

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dont get me wrong i dont doubt that the 4200  is a fine scope, and im not trying to be pushy i hope i am not being coming off that way, some day i swear i will buy a 4200. i used to be a loopie guy until i found nikon, who knows i may buy a 4200 and a conquest and a kahles at some point.

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Hi Pyro6999,,,,,,,,,,,,,,Don`t worry!!! Your fine!!!..........We`re all just having some fun while learning from and helping others!!!
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well trust me the last thing i wanna do is piss off the whole forum, ive got a ton to learn.
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I have a 4200 Elite and I have been more then pleased with it.  It is darn close to my Zeiss Conquest as far glass goes.  I don't own a Monarch (yet) but I have handled a few and I think it's right up there as well. Personally, I'd go with what I can get the best deal on at the moment both are good scopes.

 

 

Pyro:  Question???? So what do you have against the .270?  I don't hunt with one but I have known a few people that do and with good results.  I don't think it is the mythical super cartridge that some fans of the past made it out to be but over all a good cartridge at least for deer size game. Think if I was going for Elk or bigger I'd want a bigger cartridge.  So bad experience with the round???

 

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its an inside joke of sorts, i dont own a .270 never have and never will, i feel it gets a lot more credit than it deserves and the main reasons i dont care for it is because the reloading aspect of the round, the bullet weight to choose from are slim at best, i have been around a lot of big critters that died in the hands of the .270 so i guess in a way i would say its good enough to take down bigger game but the person behind the scope has to be good enough too. a lot of this is my own personal attack on jack o' connor because he is the real root of the hole issue, he talked a lot of hype back in the day about the .270 and that killed a lot of new cartridges that i think with time would have be popular ones.
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